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Windows 7: Making my Win7 really fast

18 Oct 2010   #121
Keiichi25

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64
 
 

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I expected to see that info in Games Explorer, but you've already purchased the game...what if your system couldn't handle it? The boxes were supposed to contain the minimum requirements, so consumers would know ahead of time.
Not sure what you mean, but the boxes do contain minimum system requirements, as well as "recommended" system requirements, it just doesn't mention a "WEI" score requirement.

I suppose Microsoft would like to see this as well....

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You can use the base score to confidently buy programs and other software that are matched to your computer's base score. For example, if your computer has a base score of 3.3, then you can confidently purchase any software designed for this version of Windows that requires a computer with a base score of 3 or lower.
But as of now I'm not aware of any software company, even Microsoft, listing a "minimum" WEI score requirement on it's software. It might be a goal but....
Read my earlier post though... Most people don't know how to rate their system, they just know the model of the computer and don't know, right off hand, what their system has hardware wise other than knowing it is for Windows and they want the game.

I know quite a few people who think HD space == RAM, or not sure if their Video Card is quite 'up to snuff' with some of the system requirements. Heck, most people don't realize that Windows 7 uses Direct X 11 or know if their card is Direct X 11 capable, hell, I didn't, but most of my games are Direct X 9.0c, Halo being the only Direct X 10 game I have because it was 'made for Vista'.


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18 Oct 2010   #122
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

That has nothing to do with the "fact" that this info IS listed. If you chose not to read system requirements, you're asking for trouble.

This is no different than any other item that comes with instructions. I can provide instructions, It's up to you to read/use them.

My two cent.

As a side note....

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 View Post
Heck, most people don't realize that Windows 7 uses Direct X 11 or know if their card is Direct X 11 capable, hell, I didn't, but most of my games are Direct X 9.0c, Halo being the only Direct X 10 game I have because it was 'made for Vista'.
See this.... Tips on Troubleshooting Game Issues, steps 5 & 6
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18 Oct 2010   #123
Keiichi25

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
That has nothing to do with the "fact" that this info IS listed. If you chose not to read system requirements, you're asking for trouble.

This is no different than any other item that comes with instructions. I can provide instructions, It's up to you to read/use them.

My two cent.

As a side note....

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 View Post
Heck, most people don't realize that Windows 7 uses Direct X 11 or know if their card is Direct X 11 capable, hell, I didn't, but most of my games are Direct X 9.0c, Halo being the only Direct X 10 game I have because it was 'made for Vista'.
See this.... Tips on Troubleshooting Game Issues, steps 5 & 6
Sygnus... you also have to consider how the ESRB came about... Mortal Kombat was most notable for the ESRB because people complained about the Home Version of it and noticing how bloody and violent it was, despite the fact the title should have said it.

From my own experience 20 years ago as a 13 year old kid taking tickets at a high school football game, people twice to three times my age would come up to me and ask, "Is this where we buy our tickets?" Despite the big sign, right next to me saying 'Tickets are sold at the booth (With a big arrow pointing to the booth).

This current generation of computer users aren't going to remember their Video Card, or their Processor or the memory. They only know it is a computer running Windows XP, or Vista or 7 or whatever.

As for my earlier statement, I stated I didn't know if my card was Direct X 11 or not because part of the thing that comes into play, besides hardware is whether or not they made drivers for it. Most games of late have not really made use of Direct X 10 or 11, and WoW had a feature flag to enable Direct X 11 handling, but someone mentioned it might not work well for computers who don't have Direct X 11 based cards. I didn't know for sure if mine was stuck at 10 (An nVidia 250 GTX based card) or if the drivers I used to get it working under windows 7 would support Direct X 11 until later one looking at the Dxdiag and seeind the DDI version was 10, not all.

Point is, most users won't know where to look or bother knowing to look. That is where the WEI comes in for a rough guestimate for the non-technical type people.
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18 Oct 2010   #124
sygnus21

Windows 10 Pro
 
 

We're getting way off the subject of this post...to the point of hijacking it.

Anyways my points are...

1- WEI is not a benchmarking tool but a comparision tool
2- System requirements are posted on software. If people choose to ignore them, they have no one to blame but themselves.

Other than that, we can create another thread to debate the merrits of my points.

As to the topic of DX11, my link and the steps I told you to look at explains how DX11 works in relationship to games, OS, and video card.

Peace
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18 Oct 2010   #125
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
System requirements are posted on software. If people choose to ignore them, they have no one to blame but themselves.
I agree completely, but WEI was intended to simplify the requirements down to a number index. It never caught on, so as long as apps and games aren't going to use the WEI on their packaging, it will remain a largely useless tool.
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18 Oct 2010   #126
Keiichi25

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64
 
 

You are right, we are derailing again for the wrong reasons. And yes, I wouldn't really consider the WEI as a good benchmark, but then again, most people don't know how benchmarking programs really 'rate' their system beyond knowing a 'higher number is better' or which program they should use to look at that.

The only other 'benchmark' is just user perception, which, in past experience with some users, is just as flawed as using the WEI, but of course, Watch Pot and all.
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