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Windows 7: Making my Win7 really fast

14 Oct 2010   #81
gregrocker

 

Users who have a reason to use Comodo Firewall - such as to monitor all inbound or outbound traffic closely as related earlier - or any program, shouldn't feel any need to defend themselves.

My blunt comments about MSE being perfectly optimized to work with the Win7 Firewall are for the average consumer who might think that paying something is better than free, or old solutions need to be migrated to Win7 in order to gain the same hard-won performance they got in XP/Vista.

I get into even more trouble with tweakers, who (like me) were so proud of service edits and optimizations to get XP or bloated-pre-SP1 Vista running fast that they don't want to give them up, even though beta testers can testerfy that one-by-one tweaks became totally unnecessary.

Almost every day here we have a couple of strange cases without solution where suddenly OP admits they have this or that tweaking program in the mix. And unless every little tweak has a restore point, the solution is to clean reinstall and stop tweaking except for making normal system settings.


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14 Oct 2010   #82
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Users who have a reason to use Comodo Firewall - such as to monitor all inbound or outbound traffic closely as related earlier - or any program, shouldn't feel any need to defend themselves.
You're right Greg, taking precautions to protect your computer's security does not need to be defended. I don't use the Comodo Firewall to monitor massive amounts of traffic I use it to detect and perminently prevent programs from taking information from my computer and 'phoning home' with it most of which are Windows programs which have been instructed to call Redmond every time they are used which communications the Windows Firewall will never alert the owner of the computer to.

~Maxx~
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14 Oct 2010   #83
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

I'll clarify a few of my comments. First, I'm not saying that anyone installing Comodo is making a mistake. I'm just saying the vast number of people don't care or aren't aware of such apps, and many of us who do possess those skills still don't feel it is needed. I used to always recommend an extra firewall..for years...until I started looking into what the apps were phoning home for. The trusted ones, which is all I ever install outside of a VM, typically are phoning home to check for updates. I prefer that. I don't like your insinuation that only unskilled users don't need an extra firewall, but I don't need to turn this into a flamefest. You can set the Windows Firewall to monitor traffic in both directions, at the same level any other app can or is able to. So even if a person wanted that kind of detail, they can still achieve it with the built-in app. Also keep in mind, I wouldn't be taking this stance with any previous version of Windows. Part of my reason for moving away from 3rd party firewall apps is that the built-in one is actually good enough...finally.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Joan Archer View Post
Can't say I see any significant slowdown and don't forget one is an anti-virus program that also does some malware catching, the other is primarily an antispy/malware program.
Consider yourself very lucky then, because I can load up two of those apps and see a decrease in disk performance. I end up seeing this a lot, due to family members thinking they need to install something they purchased, rather than ask me what the little green castle icon is on their systems.

One other point that needs to be addressed is your last comment. It isn't valid anymore to say one is a virus scanner and the other is spyware. The cloudy line between the two has pretty much been erased, and that's why it is all referred to as malware now. Both of those apps scan and detect most of the same malware, making them extremely redundant, which is why it is never recommended to run more than one real-time scanner at a time, moreso now than ever, since they all are considered malware scanners.
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14 Oct 2010   #84
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
I'm just saying the vast number of people don't care or aren't aware of such apps, and many of us who do possess those skills still don't feel it is needed. Part of my reason for moving away from 3rd party firewall apps is that the built-in one is actually good enough...finally.


If the Windows 7 Firewall is good enough for you then fine, but please realize that it is programmed not to report events like the Windows\System32\rundll.exe information gathering shown above which continued on for another 2 hours which 3 hour information gathering sessions are pre-programmed into Windows 7 for the first time, but unbiased 3rd party Firewall + HIPS software like Comodo will report these activities to the user.

And if only being able to deal with 1 out of 3 of the exploits on a Leak Test is up to your highest standard of computer security then by all means continue using the Windows 7 Firewall and avoid highrt functioning Firewalls llike Comodo at all cost because its capability of scoring 100% on Leak Tests is far beyond your computer security needs and as we all know excessive computer security capability is clearly not needed in a day and age when an estimated 40,000 new exploits are released into the wild each day.



According to the Matousec Proactive Security Challenge here's another 148 reasons to avoid Comodo Firewall and Proactive Defense+ and its top rated protection which you clearly do not have any use for.

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14 Oct 2010   #85
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

I'm just not that paranoid...it has nothing to do with skill level, so you can stop your assumptions right there. My biggest fear is what is on the outside trying to get in. I have a hardware, NAT-enabled firewall protecting me from that, along with MSE and Malwarebyte. I also use my head, follow good computing habits, and don't do anything stupid with my online time. That's plenty good enough for me, and for just about everyone else. There's nothing to be afraid of, in terms of the trusted software that I installed, wanting to phone home occasionally. I do not wear a tin foil hat, nor do I peak out my front door at night, wondering if the CIA is watching. If you choose to take things to that granular, paranoid level, go for it...but for the love of god, drop the holier-than-thou attitude about it.

Maybe this will be a better explanation:

I drive a 2005 325xi. In order for me to drive and enjoy the car, I need to know the safety ratings, fuel efficiency, what kind of gas it uses, horsepower, torque, and most importantly, how it feels and handles when I park my butt in the drivers seat and step on the gas pedal.

I do not need to know the manufactuer part number for my pistons, and the country of origin from my seatbelt latches. That's a level of granularity that some might want, but very few, and not most and not me either. I don't need to know that information to be safe in my car. To the gear heads who care about those things...that's great! But there's no reason for them to tell me I should know that..or tell me I'm wrong for not knowing that info.
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14 Oct 2010   #86
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
I'm just not that paranoid. My biggest fear is what is on the outside trying to get in. I have a hardware, NAT-enabled firewall protecting me from that, along with MSE and Malwarebyte. I also use my head, follow good computing habits, and don't do anything stupid with my online time.
So by calling the over 1,000,000 new responsible computer security conscious people who start using the world's #1 best testing computer security obtainable each month 'paranoid' are you somehow trying to credibly dismiss the fact that Windows 7 Firewall misses 2 out of 3 exploits in a wildly respected Leak Test as being 'good enough' computer security? Try running that up the flagpole over at Wilders Security Forums and see what people who specialize in computer security and testing think about your opinion.

Please illuminate us as to exactly how much security is 'too much computer security' in an online environment where there are an estimated 40,000 new zero-day exploits released into the wild each and every day almost all of which are as yet undefined by any Antivirus program many of which are drive-by downloads from banners on legitimate trusted sites which even the most experienced careful operator is unaware of and are only detected by behavior based software like a HIPS or a Behavior Blocker both of which Comodo has expertly tested and top rated versions of plus Automatic Sandboxing which isolates any unknown code that tries to run.

I have a NAT-enabled hardware Firewall also and another one of the reasons I run Comodo is that I'm aware of how easily a NAT router can be hacked and its password stolen in seconds flat by even a novice hacker.

If my computer hadn't been infected before while using Windows Firewall I would have never gone in search of a multi-layered computer security solution so that my computer would hopefully never be infected again. So if you consider my wanting my computer to remain completely Malware-free where Windows Firewall failed me as 'paranoia' then fine. I consider learning from my mistakes my version of good computing habits so please forgive me for trying to warn others before its too late for them. BTW my computer has remained 100% Malware-free since I started using the multi-layered default deny features in Comodo nearly 2 years ago.

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14 Oct 2010   #87
Keiichi25

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64
 
 

Okay... You two... New Thread.

What you two are discussing is pretty much a subject for a new thread and everyone can put their merits with regards to it there.
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14 Oct 2010   #88
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Keiichi25- Another whole thread? I would think that at this point the people who value having a free top notch state of the art multi-layered default\deny computer security for their Win 7 computer would be convinced of its value and the rest would just stick with what they have and at least they would know what their options are if the Windows Firewall fails them as it has in so many professionally performed and well published computer security Leak Tests against well known exploits that potentially effect everyone.

Having easy to run advanced level computer security is like having a comprehensive insurance policy in that you hope that a tragedy won't happen that will cause you to rely upon it, but if the time comes that tragedy does strike no matter how unlikely the occurrence it will save you from ruin.

~Maxx~
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14 Oct 2010   #89
Keiichi25

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Home Premium x64
 
 

It became less about convincing and more about defending what you believe about how things should be. Which kind of derails from what originally this post was about looking at ways to making Win 7 faster.

Both you and Deacon are arguing what you believe for system security, again, that can be discussed in another thread on the merits and consequences of your sides and others can pipe in on that there. For now, the whole point brought up here is the consideration with regards to speed, not the merits of a specific firewall solution.
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14 Oct 2010   #90
Maxxwire

Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Keiichi25 View Post
For now, the whole point brought up here is the consideration with regards to speed, not the merits of a specific firewall solution.


As I pointed out earlier in the thread the Comodo Firewall is lightning fast and only consumes 5.2 MB of RAM on my computer while it renders top rated computer security. Do you know what the RAM allocation for Windows 7 Firewall is for a direct comparison of which of these software Firewalls uses the least amount of system resources and has the least drag on Win 7 performance?

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