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Windows 7: Admin vs User Config

16 Oct 2010   #11
logicearth

Windows 10 Pro (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Puddin Man View Post
Were these perhaps open files associated with your user logon (Profile)? Why didn't the system just que up the delete's for the next boot-up or similar?
Yes...there were a thousands ways I could have done it, but I just took the easy/lazy way out.

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I'd appreciate it if someone could address the following question:
Is there any way to replicate all personal settings (desktop, applications, etc) associated with the user account onto the Admin account?
Copy all the "NTUSER" files from the root of a user account folder to the account you want or into "C:\Users\Default". However you will have to have another account to log into. The NTUSER files are locked and cannot be moved for active accounts. Furthermore, do not delete these files only copy.


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16 Oct 2010   #12
mborner

Windows 7 Pro/32 Academic. Build 7600
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Puddin Man View Post
Is there any way to replicate all personal settings (desktop, applications, etc) associated with the user account onto the Admin account?
Sinse you already have an account set up with all your pesonal settings, desktop, documents, etc. all you would really need to do is convert the standard user account to an administrator account. It is not recommended, though. You don't want to be logged on as an administrator at all times. Ultimately, you want two accounts, just for yourself. (even if you're the only one using the PC.)

1. a standard user account with all you settings, start menu, documents, files, customizations. etc.

2. An administrator account that uses default user account settings. This account, you would keep logged off at all times and would use, well, really, never.

Generally, you only need the admin. account because Windows 7 requires at leat one, on a system.
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17 Oct 2010   #13
Puddin Man

Win7 Home Prem. 64 OEM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth View Post
Copy all the "NTUSER" files from the root of a user account folder to the account you want or into "C:\Users\Default". However you will have to have another account to log into. The NTUSER files are locked and cannot be moved for active accounts. Furthermore, do not delete these files only copy.
<This is edited. I lost it there for a bit.>

OK, I've copied/renamed. Logged onto each to do the other (Admin and User) to avoid creating new account.

It worked, but it's wierd. Some desktop shortcuts (i.e. Admin Cmd Prompt, Computer Mngt) didn't make it. And some taskbar icons are blank (no graphic).

Any idea?

Thanks,
P
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22 Oct 2010   #14
mborner

Windows 7 Pro/32 Academic. Build 7600
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Puddin Man View Post
<This is edited. I lost it there for a bit.>

OK, I've copied/renamed. Logged onto each to do the other (Admin and User) to avoid creating new account.

It worked, but it's wierd. Some desktop shortcuts (i.e. Admin Cmd Prompt, Computer Mngt) didn't make it. And some taskbar icons are blank (no graphic).

Any idea?

Thanks,
P
I'm just getting back to this thread. If I understand correctly, you now have two user accounts, 1 standard and 1 administrator, is that correct? Further, I'm understanding that you want both accounts to have exactly the same user settings, desktop, programs, etc., is that correct?
IME, copying and renaming user folders is somewhat complicated. As you've seen, they just don't turn out like you expect.
IMO, and on my own system, my administrator account uses the default settings. I don't need, or want, my administrator account to act and look like my standard user account. My standard user account is the only one I customize. Why? because I keep my administrator account logged off at all times and I almost never use it. The administrator account is designed for administrative purposes only and should not be used for daily operations. I can do almost anything from my standard user account through password protected UAC. I had to log on to my administrator account once, to change a local policy. I was logged on for maybe 5 minutes, and for that reason, I do not need to see a custom theme, desktop shortcuts, custom start menu, etc.
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22 Oct 2010   #15
Puddin Man

Win7 Home Prem. 64 OEM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mborner View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Puddin Man View Post
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OK, I've copied/renamed. Logged onto each to do the other (Admin and User) to avoid creating new account.

It worked, but it's wierd. Some desktop shortcuts (i.e. Admin Cmd Prompt, Computer Mngt) didn't make it. And some taskbar icons are blank (no graphic).

Any idea?

Thanks,
P
I'm just getting back to this thread. If I understand correctly, you now have two user accounts, 1 standard and 1 administrator, is that correct?
Correct.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mborner View Post
Further, I'm understanding that you want both accounts to have exactly the same user settings, desktop, programs, etc., is that correct?
To the extent practical, yes.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mborner View Post
IME, copying and renaming user folders is somewhat complicated. As you've seen, they just don't turn out like you expect.
So it goes with many things Win7.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mborner View Post
IMO, and on my own system, my administrator account uses the default settings. I don't need, or want, my administrator account to act and look like my standard user account. My standard user account is the only one I customize. Why? because I keep my administrator account logged off at all times and I almost never use it. The administrator account is designed for administrative purposes only and should not be used for daily operations. I can do almost anything from my standard user account through password protected UAC. I had to log on to my administrator account once, to change a local policy. I was logged on for maybe 5 minutes, and for that reason, I do not need to see a custom theme, desktop shortcuts, custom start menu, etc.
No need? Remains to be seen so far as I know.

The fact that creation of an Admin account is required must mean something. I gather the general drift is that the Admin account should be used (almost) only in emergency situations or similar. Fine. Should such an emergency arise, I would need the facilities (pro editor, organization of desktop, etc etc) that I regularly use. I would be much less effective with the standard MS Admin setup.

My intent is not to run Admin regularly.

If you are happy (or think you are) with the standard MS Admin setup, more power to you.

Now it is plain that you dropped in to tell me how happy you are with such, and not to address my query. Seems silly to me.

P
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23 Oct 2010   #16
mborner

Windows 7 Pro/32 Academic. Build 7600
 
 

My apologies, puddin man, that was not my intent. I'm simply pointing out that, yes, you do in fact need an administrator account and that you may use it from time to time. You may even use it more than most users. What you don't need, is to have your standard user account's custom desktop, user settings, custom start menu, themes, and customizations transferred over to your administrator account. If that is truly what you want, I will try to help you.

1. Go to folder options, click on the view tab and check the dot that says "show hidden files and folders." Also, UNcheck "Hide protected operating system files"

2. Go to C:\users\std (std being the name of your standard user account). Copy all of the contents of this folder. (not the folder, itself, just its contents)

3. Navigate to C:\users\admin (admin being the name of your administrator account) Move the contents of this folder to a new folder on your desktop,(Just in case you need to put it back.) leaving the admin. account folder empty.

4. Paste the contents of your standard user account into the now empty admin folder.

5. Log off and then back on both accounts.
*You may not be able to move the contents from the admin account if the account is logged on.
Hope this helps.
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24 Oct 2010   #17
Puddin Man

Win7 Home Prem. 64 OEM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mborner View Post
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. What you don't need, is to have your standard user account's custom desktop, user settings, custom start menu, themes, and customizations transferred over to your administrator account.
In a true emergency, none of us know exactly what we will need. Suffice to say I'm not impressed with the defaults on the Admin logon.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mborner View Post
If that is truly what you want, I will try to help you.

1. Go to folder options, click on the view tab and check the dot that says "show hidden files and folders." Also, UNcheck "Hide protected operating system files"
This was done quite some time ago.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mborner View Post
2. Go to C:\users\std (std being the name of your standard user account). Copy all of the contents of this folder. (not the folder, itself, just its contents)

3. Navigate to C:\users\admin (admin being the name of your administrator account) Move the contents of this folder to a new folder on your desktop,(Just in case you need to put it back.) leaving the admin. account folder empty.
Copy/move -only- the files and not the sub-directories. Eh?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mborner View Post
4. Paste the contents of your standard user account into the now empty admin folder.

5. Log off and then back on both accounts.
*You may not be able to move the contents from the admin account if the account is logged on.
Hope this helps.
Looks helpful.

Thanks,
P
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25 Oct 2010   #18
mborner

Windows 7 Pro/32 Academic. Build 7600
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Puddin Man View Post
Copy/move -only- the files and not the sub-directories. Eh?
You want to copy the entire contents of the username folder, including all folders, sub-folders, and files. With the folder open, go to "organize" and then "select all". Copy all selected items to your clipboard. Paste these items into the empty administrator folder.

EDIT:

What might be even easier is to go to C:\users, copy your standard user account folder and paste it to your desktop. Rename this folder to the exact same name as your administrator folder. Go back to C:\users and back up your administrator folder, then remove it from the users window. Now drag your new, renamed administrator folder back into the users folder. You should now have two user folders that, aside from the name, are exactly the same.

Keep in mind, every change you make to one, you'll have to make to the other, separately, including any themes, desktop icons, gadgets, IE/Firefox favorites, pinned start menu items, fonts, screen magnifications, mouse adjustments, documents, etc.

Make sure that you make the adjustment in user accounts, also. IOW, make sure your standard user account is in fact marked as such and the same thing with your administrator account.

Good luck.
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25 Oct 2010   #19
mlevy

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Puddin Man, I think you're missing the point of the administrator account. Logging on interactively as the administrator would not be used as a replacement for your standard user account should you have a problem with that account, it would be used to repair the other account or recover from some other issue. After the repair/recovery, you would then log off the admin account and log in as your normal account to continue your normal work.

With that said, I log in to my PCs as an "administrator" account (not named that) but UAC still prompts me for most actions that make changes to applications or system files.
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25 Oct 2010   #20
Puddin Man

Win7 Home Prem. 64 OEM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mborner View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Puddin Man View Post
Copy/move -only- the files and not the sub-directories. Eh?
You want to copy the entire contents of the username folder, including all folders, sub-folders, and files. With the folder open, go to "organize" and then "select all". Copy all selected items to your clipboard. Paste these items into the empty administrator folder.

EDIT:

What might be even easier is to go to C:\users, copy your standard user account folder and paste it to your desktop. Rename this folder to the exact same name as your administrator folder. Go back to C:\users and back up your administrator folder, then remove it from the users window. Now drag your new, renamed administrator folder back into the users folder. You should now have two user folders that, aside from the name, are exactly the same.

Keep in mind, every change you make to one, you'll have to make to the other, separately, including any themes, desktop icons, gadgets, IE/Firefox favorites, pinned start menu items, fonts, screen magnifications, mouse adjustments, documents, etc.

Make sure that you make the adjustment in user accounts, also. IOW, make sure your standard user account is in fact marked as such and the same thing with your administrator account.

Good luck.
Thanks, but I don't feel comfortable trying that at this time.

I decided to back up both user folders and ran into a hideous permissions, etc issue.
Query is now in "General": Win7 dysfunctional wrt folder creation/use

P
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