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Windows 7: How to search for a .sol file

18 Dec 2010   #31
mborner

Windows 7 Pro/32 Academic. Build 7600
 
 

I can see both sided of the argument. If Windows 7 search is so easy, then why are there so few that understand it? It's certainly not like XP's search (which was as easy as it gets) but then again, XP couldn't match the power and speed of 7's search. I find it easy to use, as do many here. The syntax has been around for years. The only problem with the Windows 7 syntax is that people never used it in Xp, and therefore, struggle with it in 7. I have to admit, if I had just installed Windows 7 and just started playing around with it, I would have had major issues with search. I did the smart thing, I picked up a book and learned how to use it properly. Then again, I read my cars' owners manual cover to cover. How many people do that? Working in a new car dealership, I can tell you, almost none. I can understand the frustrations but people, please, do yourself a favor and learn how to use this magnificent new feature in Windows 7. If not, I'm here to help.


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18 Dec 2010   #32
SledgeDG

Windows 7 Ultimate x86
 
 

The problem as I see it: we "old farts" that grew up with MS-DOS and the likes had to read in order to do anything useful with a computer.Basically all you had was something similar to open CMD in fullscreen. A blinking prompt :

Saturday Dec 18 C:\ >

Just realize that your colorful clickable desktop is nothing but an extension for that prompt.
For some reason unbeknown to me people nowadays expect to unpack and start clicking left and right and whenever anything doesn't fit their train of logical thoughts it's the programmer's fault and ultimately the fault of Microsoft.
Somehow the necessity of learning, what you want to master, was left behind.
and people were overrun by the development of new shiny clickables.
What I complain about is not that people have gotten less intelligent over time but that advertising created an over-expectancy of some sort.
I clearly reach my limits where I have a hard time to relate my thoughts in a foreign language...so bear with me if it sounds too harsh. I don't intend to insult anybody.

My point being: People that have no problem to study manuals for hours to master their XBox or iPhone or even the guides for their tv-remote controls, seem to refuse to do so when it comes to computers.
I don't know...to me it seems perfectly logical to use a "." if I search for an file-extension or even a *.sol to limit the amount of "false positives".

Many come here and ask about things they don't grasp at first...and that is good.
It shows that they are willing to learn and understand.
Those people are the reason I'm here...not the few whiners who seek to blame their personal shortcomings on everybody else.
So let's get on with our lifes and help those who want to be helped.

-DG
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18 Dec 2010   #33
Dzomlija

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert View Post
Also, I find that it doesn't always find all files under all conditions, and, if I just create a file, it will not find it for several hours. Perhaps the index needs to catch up. No excuse, IMO. Conceivably, you could chalk all of this up to my ignorance (of which I confess no shortage), but if you believe that Search is without flaw, you haven't thought it through.
If it takes so long to update the index, then perhaps yours is corrupted somehow and needs rebuilding (See Windows Search - Configure and Use)?

My own index covers 518,876 files...

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...and if I create a new file, or modify an existing one, then the index updates within a matter of seconds. Usually around 4 to 5, which is ok, but could perhaps stand with a little more tweaking to get the update time to 2 seconds or less.


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18 Dec 2010   #34
James Colbert

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
If this is difficult to learn, then IMO the problem is more in users learning capacity than in Windows.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
James, I used that phrase on purpose. I'm sure your mother would learn to use Windows Search in a day or two, as did my mother who only started computing at 70. It's almost normal language, with clear and easy to follow logics in syntax.
And therein lies the point, which seems to have gone unnoticed. Many of those who visit this forum are novices. If we can agree that a primary purpose of this board is to help those who don't understand certain aspects of Windows 7, we do them a disservice by responding as though they are of a diminished "learning capacity".

Secondly, not everyone will get it. That anyone believes that they should is incidental to the reality. Maybe with some research they will, maybe not. The world is made up of individuals with varying abilities. Inevitably, some will not understand what you may consider simple, just as you may not understand something that others consider simple. To state otherwise is a fallacy. This is a simple fact of life that most understand and accept.

By now, you may have some insight that the point does not pertain to how simple or how complicated search is.

James
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18 Dec 2010   #35
James Colbert

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert View Post
Also, I find that it doesn't always find all files under all conditions, and, if I just create a file, it will not find it for several hours. Perhaps the index needs to catch up. No excuse, IMO. Conceivably, you could chalk all of this up to my ignorance (of which I confess no shortage), but if you believe that Search is without flaw, you haven't thought it through.
If it takes so long to update the index, then perhaps yours is corrupted somehow and needs rebuilding (See Windows Search - Configure and Use)?


...and if I create a new file, or modify an existing one, then the index updates within a matter of seconds. Usually around 4 to 5, which is ok, but could perhaps stand with a little more tweaking to get the update time to 2 seconds or less.
Thanks for the comments. I have read much material, including at the link you provided (and authored...nicely done.) I have rebuilt the index on more than one occasion. But really, educating myself has gone a long way in resolving my complaints regarding search. There are some issues, but I think I can live with them for the moment.

The comments you quoted were really part of a larger point I was attempting to make. I am intrigued at your mention of 'tweaking', however. Could I impose on you to elaborate?

Thanks,
James
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19 Dec 2010   #36
Dzomlija

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by James Colbert View Post
The comments you quoted were really part of a larger point I was attempting to make. I am intrigued at your mention of 'tweaking', however. Could I impose on you to elaborate?
I'm think along the lines of Microsoft improving the Search index further, so that it update quicker than it already does. 4-5 seconds update time isn't bad, but I'd like to see that time improved...
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19 Dec 2010   #37
James Colbert

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija View Post
I'm think along the lines of Microsoft improving the Search index further, so that it update quicker than it already does. 4-5 seconds update time isn't bad, but I'd like to see that time improved...
OK. Thanks!
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20 Dec 2010   #38
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mborner View Post
I can see both sided of the argument. If Windows 7 search is so easy, then why are there so few that understand it?
That's our society. Ever go grocery shopping and get in the self-checkout lines...and happen to be beyond one of the geniuses who can't figure it out? How about the people who can't figure out how to use an ATM? Point is, when you try to make something easy...there will still be people who can't figure it out. You know the saying:

When something is made idiot proof, we'll build a better idiot.
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