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Windows 7: Snow Leopard is copying Windows 7.

17 Jun 2009   #11
bloodhound

Windows 7 RTM
 
 

This whole topic is silly and everyone here who says that MS is copying Apple or the other way round doesn't realize one thing;
Every big company spend enormous amounts of money on various market researches. Lets be honest they're all analysing US and OUR preferences, the market it us.
If 2 companies ask you basically the same question your answer will be the same in both cases.
This will lead these 2 companies to develop similar products that will fulfil your needs.

If MS and Apple where base one on Mars and other one on Venus, and didn't know about each other, and both were approaching a target market called Earth, assuming they've both done a proper market research, they have 98% chance of developing nearly identical products to suit the needs of the market so that the product will sell.

That's the basic lesson of marketing and it's the same for everything you can buy, cars, cloths, food & beverage, tampons, software, every single thing you can imagine.

So stating that companies are stealing from one another is just ridiculous, they are all targeting us, you as a customer and it's obvious that if the customer likes apples they will all be selling apples not oranges.
Does it mean that they're stealing from each other? As long as they are selling their own-grown apples, no.


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17 Jun 2009   #12
bloodhound

Windows 7 RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jw12345 View Post
But honestly, I think I like Apple's implementation some of things "copied" a lot more than Microsoft's.

couldn't agree more i work on all kind of OSs well maybe beside those new-wave linux-windows-like quasi OSs like Ubuntu or what they're called, and Mac OS will always be on the top of the list, then maybe Slackware Linux, then Windows 2000, Windows 7, FreeBSD, Windows XP, Gentoo Linux and then Windows Vista
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17 Jun 2009   #13
PhreePhly

Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by need View Post
Anyone notice....

WWDC 2009 Bertrand Serlet talks Snow Leopard.
-90% Refinements.
-Technologies.
-Exchange.

Copying...
-Leopard to Snow Leopard.
-WIndows Vista to Windows 7.

-Windows 7 Superbar Running Peek Preview.
-Clutter (Expose) in Snow Leopard.

-Windows 7 Build uppon Vista.
-Snow Leopard build uppon Leopard.

-Windows 7 is better than vista.
-Snow Leopard build a better Leopard.

-Fast OS installation in Windows 7.
-Fast OS installation in Snow Leopard.

-More resizeable OS space in Windows 7.
-More resizeable OS space(compressed) in Snow Leopard.

-Windows Media Player 11 & 12 full screen mode.
-Snow Leopard Quicktime X full screen mode look familiar...

-Why Snow Leopard Upgrade so cheap $29:
No many to upgrade.
No new things.
Still same as old Leopard.
I am no Apple fanboi, as most of my posts in this forum will attest to, but to claim that one OS manufacturer is stealing from another is p*ssing in the rain. They all do it. As well they should. Good concepts are good concepts. Notice how the essential desktop layout between OSX, Windows, KDE and Gnome are all essentially alike? That's because that general layout, developed over many GUI iterations by all designers have led to the current form.

I'll give a great example of good copying. Time Machine in OSX is essentially Shadow copies, something Windows has done since Win 2000. However, MS has had such a terrible interface issue, or mechanism to expose it to the average user, it was never really used well. Not until Apple "stole" the shadow copy idea and put a fantastic UI to it. Vista and Win 7 are finally making better use of the concept, but they still lack the finesse of the Apple designers. Do I care that Apple stole shadow copies? Of course not, and I'm glad OSX users have a great file back up and recovery system.

There are many who say the Win 7 taskbar is stolen from the Dock in OSX. I can see some similarities. Do I care, no, because I like it.

I wish Apple would stop the stupid "Redmond, start your photocopiers" type crap, but it goes in line with their dishonest marketing method. Just know that there is plenty of stuff in Windows that came from Apple and OSX has plenty of Windows stuff.

PhreePhly
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17 Jun 2009   #14
Jon55

Windows 7 64-bit (7127) & Mac OS X 10.5.7
 
 

Obvious troll (OP) is obvious.
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17 Jun 2009   #15
bloodhound

Windows 7 RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by PhreePhly View Post
Do I care [...]? Of course not,[...]

The best attitude In the end it's all about having a choice.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by PhreePhly View Post
I wish Apple would stop the stupid "Redmond, start your photocopiers" type crap, but it goes in line with their dishonest marketing method.
There is no such thing in the marketing world as dishonesty.
Bare in mind that the 'photocopiers crap' has roots way way back in history and let's be honest Apple when it comes to license matters was right.
Shame only that the same Apple did exactly the same thing with Xerox and never had a problem with it... But that's life...

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by PhreePhly View Post
Just know that there is plenty of stuff in Windows that came from Apple and OSX has plenty of Windows stuff.
Generalization but damn true
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17 Jun 2009   #16
jw12345

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bloodhound View Post
This whole topic is silly and everyone here who says that MS is copying Apple or the other way round doesn't realize one thing;
Every big company spend enormous amounts of money on various market researches. Lets be honest they're all analysing US and OUR preferences, the market it us.
If 2 companies ask you basically the same question your answer will be the same in both cases.
This will lead these 2 companies to develop similar products that will fulfil your needs.

If MS and Apple where base one on Mars and other one on Venus, and didn't know about each other, and both were approaching a target market called Earth, assuming they've both done a proper market research, they have 98% chance of developing nearly identical products to suit the needs of the market so that the product will sell.

That's the basic lesson of marketing and it's the same for everything you can buy, cars, cloths, food & beverage, tampons, software, every single thing you can imagine.

So stating that companies are stealing from one another is just ridiculous, they are all targeting us, you as a customer and it's obvious that if the customer likes apples they will all be selling apples not oranges.
Does it mean that they're stealing from each other? As long as they are selling their own-grown apples, no.
I think you have a point, that market forces push features to come out at similar times across products, and technology advances to allow features to come into place at certain times (e.g., spotlight, windows start menu search would not have been possible until certain hardware advances made it feasible).

But, having said that, there are plenty of cases of more blatant copying. (e.g., Vista's Windows Mail is almost a straight ripoff of OS X Mail, same with ical , although everybody seems to rip off ical)

Funny video illustrating my point: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaIUkwPybtM"]YouTube - Windows Vista did not steal ideas from Mac OS X![/ame]
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17 Jun 2009   #17
bloodhound

Windows 7 RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jw12345 View Post
But, having said that, there are plenty of cases of more blatant copying. (e.g., Vista's Windows Mail is almost a straight ripoff of OS X Mail, same with ical , although everybody seems to rip off ical)
as always it's the matter of the source code... only a direct copy of the code or it's parts is a rip off... other then that these are all 'coincidences'
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17 Jun 2009   #18
bloodhound

Windows 7 RTM
 
 

Look for the original version of this video as this is a lousy rip off from what Steve Jobs did on a press conference
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17 Jun 2009   #19
jw12345

Windows 7
 
 

How ironic that a video about copying Apple is... copied from Apple:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2C2gb6ws8"]YouTube - Apple WWDC 2006-Windows Vista Copies Mac OS X[/ame]
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17 Jun 2009   #20
KrossX

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 RC (7100)
 
 
Enough said.

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