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Windows 7: windows 8 pre alpha

17 Jun 2009   #31
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Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by PhreePhly View Post
What is everyones problem with an OS actually making use of the available memory. Do you understand what Superfetch was all about? What's cool about only having 2% of your 8 GB of RAM in use. You're already wasting power on the chips, why not use them? The biggest difference in Win7 is how efficient the DWM is. That's part of the WDDM 1.1 upgrade. Other than that Win 7 appropriates memory much like Vista does, especially after SP2.



Yea, 'cause reading Vista Basic (which was clearly marked and sold as NOT running Aero) is so hard. You want a $100 computer, you get a $100 computer.



Intel writes the drivers, not MS. You have a problem with Intel's handling of that, write them a note. So, in response to my initial arguement, yes Drivers took out the WOW.



Ran Vista on 7 different laptops at work, never had a sleep issue. In fact, sleep finally worked as advertised as XP could never handle it properly. The laptops were from 3 different vendors.



The only massive code change that occured was on the Audio side, and there was good reason for that. While i agree it should have never happened that late in the game. The fact that audio was the one component that had almost unfettered access to hardware made it a security issue, and the biggest mandate with this release was that it wouldn't be like XP in it's original release.

PhreePhly
Well said, it is not Microsoft's job to re-write drivers for everything, it is the vendors responsibilty. I personally hope Intel release a GMA 4500MHD driver for 'windows 7' soon as my vista one keeps crashing (and the ones from Windows Update wont let me play games properly).

Anyways wasn't this thread supposed to be focused on 'Windows 8 Pre-Alpha'?


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17 Jun 2009   #32
mxosder16

Windows 7 Ultimate x86
 
 

Eight Forums is where it will all happen
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17 Jun 2009   #33
z3r010

 

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Eight Forums is where it will all happen
Or maybe it will happen somewhere else
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17 Jun 2009   #34
Bare Foot Kid
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Or maybe it will happen somewhere else
Hello John.


Start it up, I'll be there.











Later Ted
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17 Jun 2009   #35
Dark Nova Gamer

Windows 7 Ultimate, OS X 10.7, Ubuntu 11.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010 View Post
Or maybe it will happen somewhere else
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bare Foot Kid View Post
Hello John.


Start it up, I'll be there.











Later Ted

As will I, and a bunch of others aswell I assume. =P
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17 Jun 2009   #36
7echno7im

Windows 7 7600.16384 x64
 
 

Thats windows 7 with the nexus bar. Nothing new....
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22 Jun 2009   #37
ppp

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by PhreePhly View Post
What is everyones problem with an OS actually making use of the available memory. Do you understand what Superfetch was all about? What's cool about only having 2% of your 8 GB of RAM in use. You're already wasting power on the chips, why not use them? The biggest difference in Win7 is how efficient the DWM is. That's part of the WDDM 1.1 upgrade. Other than that Win 7 appropriates memory much like Vista does, especially after SP2.
Having not played with Vista SP2 I can't comment on the accuracy of this statement. I'll have to trust you. But I can say that while I'm ok with making use of available memory, I'm not ok with overallocation. When a 2GB machine has 1.9GB allocated, and has to swap to do anything... that's BAD memory management. When a 4GB machine has 2GB allocated, that's just fine.

I work in server-land, where SQL and Exchange suck all the available memory out of a machine. But I don't expect a good desktop experience with those machines (and I certainly don't get it on the Exchange 2007 servers, by golly).

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Yea, 'cause reading Vista Basic (which was clearly marked and sold as NOT running Aero) is so hard. You want a $100 computer, you get a $100 computer.
You can mock people all you like, but the US court system seemed to feel the marketing was disingenuous.

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Intel writes the drivers, not MS. You have a problem with Intel's handling of that, write them a note. So, in response to my initial arguement, yes Drivers took out the WOW.
Interesting. So there was NO collusion? None? At all? I beg to differ. I'm not saying it isn't Intel's fault. It CLEARLY is. But MS is not blameless here.

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Ran Vista on 7 different laptops at work, never had a sleep issue. In fact, sleep finally worked as advertised as XP could never handle it properly. The laptops were from 3 different vendors.
I love posts like this. I've had sleep bluescreens on EVERY laptop I've run Vista on. Are we both right? Yes. But just because you didn't personally see them doesn't mean they weren't there. Try an HP business-class laptop some time. Every one will bluescreen on resume with Vista. Ditto with Toshiba laptops with 915 chipsets. Is it Intel's fault for bad drivers? Sure. But EVERYTHING is a driver. The kernel is small. You can't pin everything on Intel.

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The only massive code change that occured was on the Audio side, and there was good reason for that. While i agree it should have never happened that late in the game. The fact that audio was the one component that had almost unfettered access to hardware made it a security issue, and the biggest mandate with this release was that it wouldn't be like XP in it's original release.
I beg to differ. The sleep mode kernel changes made mid-RC are well documented. Hybrid sleep and Deep sleep worked GREAT in RC0 and not so great in RC2. Somewhere in there it got broken. RC means STOP CHANGING BASE CODE. That's pretty universal. Feature complete. Interface changes and critical bug fixes only. Don't rework the kernel.

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I'm not entirely disagreeing with you. But to lay it firmly on the shoulders of the vendors isn't fair, either. When 90% of the laptops on the market use an Intel 9xx chipset, MS has an obligation to make sure that its OS works with that chipset. Full stop.
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22 Jun 2009   #38
PhreePhly

Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ppp View Post
Having not played with Vista SP2 I can't comment on the accuracy of this statement. I'll have to trust you. But I can say that while I'm ok with making use of available memory, I'm not ok with overallocation. When a 2GB machine has 1.9GB allocated, and has to swap to do anything... that's BAD memory management. When a 4GB machine has 2GB allocated, that's just fine.

I work in server-land, where SQL and Exchange suck all the available memory out of a machine. But I don't expect a good desktop experience with those machines (and I certainly don't get it on the Exchange 2007 servers, by golly).
Allocated with what? My original laptop had a 2 GB limit. Running Vista SP1 showed a typical memory footprint of 1.1 GB. It showed an additional 400 - 600 MB in Standy and the rest free. That standby memory will not cause swapping. It is immediately freed when needed.

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You can mock people all you like, but the US court system seemed to feel the marketing was disingenuous.
The US court system is notorious for erring on the side of STUPID. That is why we need a warning label not to use the microwave to dry your baby.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ppp View Post
Interesting. So there was NO collusion? None? At all? I beg to differ. I'm not saying it isn't Intel's fault. It CLEARLY is. But MS is not blameless here.
Claim all the collusion you want, but with the US.gov watching Intel and MS like hawks, I doubt very seriously that collusion can be proven. Good luck proving that.

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I love posts like this. I've had sleep bluescreens on EVERY laptop I've run Vista on. Are we both right? Yes. But just because you didn't personally see them doesn't mean they weren't there. Try an HP business-class laptop some time. Every one will bluescreen on resume with Vista. Ditto with Toshiba laptops with 915 chipsets. Is it Intel's fault for bad drivers? Sure. But EVERYTHING is a driver. The kernel is small. You can't pin everything on Intel.
One of the laptops was an HP business class. An Elitebook 8730w. Sleep and hybrid sleep work just fine. Don't know about Toshiba. The Laptops I worked with were Dells, HPs and MPCs(re-badged Samsungs). Not a single one had sleep problems in Vista. Is there some software that you are installing that is causing the problem? These were a mix of 32- and 64-bit.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ppp View Post
I beg to differ. The sleep mode kernel changes made mid-RC are well documented. Hybrid sleep and Deep sleep worked GREAT in RC0 and not so great in RC2. Somewhere in there it got broken. RC means STOP CHANGING BASE CODE. That's pretty universal. Feature complete. Interface changes and critical bug fixes only. Don't rework the kernel.
I'm trying to find out about the kernel changes you mentioned. The only thing I remember is that MS made a change to S3 power management with is the "deep sleep" or hiberation mode. It wasn't so much a change, but fixes, as RC0 had a terrible time of hibernation. RC0 would go into normal sleep just fine.

However, much of the sleep problem was also squarely on the BIOS writer's shoulders. It was amazing how a few BIOS re-writes fixed sleep. The major Vendors were very bad at power management in the BIOS, and Vista's management of sleep states made strict adherence to ACPI Specs.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ppp View Post
I'm not entirely disagreeing with you. But to lay it firmly on the shoulders of the vendors isn't fair, either. When 90% of the laptops on the market use an Intel 9xx chipset, MS has an obligation to make sure that its OS works with that chipset. Full stop.
But Intel writes the graphics driver. I don't disagree that Intel wanted to force upgrades to a newer graphics chip, so they removed support for Aero in the older chipset, but again, that's intel and MS can't really impinge on Intel's IP and write the driver.

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03 Jul 2009   #39
Uber Philf

W7 RTM Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bare Foot Kid View Post
Hello John.


Start it up, I'll be there.


Later Ted
Will you admins make a Windows 8 forum? , ima join when/if it happens
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03 Jul 2009   #40
LFB

Windows7 Enterprise SP1 x64 (Technet)
 
 

Yeah... a brand new Eight Forums would be great...
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