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Windows 7: Convince me !

17 Jun 2009   #51
Lebon14

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sup3rsprt View Post
Then could you please explain to me why Cinebench R10 CPU benchmark finishes 4 seconds faster in Windows XP? (btw, my laptop is Pentium dual core and the power options are set to High Performance).

Where are the multicore improvements, because I don't see it.
Look, I'm sick and tired of seeing you say "WinXP is faster than Win7". XP needs to DIE in a long and painful death.

Also, a Pentium Dual-core is like... I'm pretty sure you could finish that sentence. Get a decent Core 2 Duo with added 1GB of RAM and you shall see the light.

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Back on topic.
For myself, I haven't been able to spot exact real sped up between Vista and Seven (YES I am a Vista fanboy and a growing XP hater). I love both Vista and Seven.

But I can see that the boot is faster than Vistas. I can't say about XP coz I happily ditched it last year (still have the licence though).

I like the Aero Snap feature. Very useful. Library can be very useful (depends how you setup your stuff).


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17 Jun 2009   #52
PhreePhly

Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lebon14 View Post
Look, I'm sick and tired of seeing you say "WinXP is faster than Win7". XP needs to DIE in a long and painful death.

Also, a Pentium Dual-core is like... I'm pretty sure you could finish that sentence. Get a decent Core 2 Duo with added 1GB of RAM and you shall see the light.

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Back on topic.
For myself, I haven't been able to spot exact real sped up between Vista and Seven (YES I am a Vista fanboy and a growing XP hater). I love both Vista and Seven.

But I can see that the boot is faster than Vistas. I can't say about XP coz I happily ditched it last year (still have the licence though).

I like the Aero Snap feature. Very useful. Library can be very useful (depends how you setup your stuff).
Well, XP is already on the way to EOL. It will receive security updates until 2014, but SP3 was it for any useful system up grades. As far as XP being faster, given today's hardware, that's probably true. Heck, I've run Windows 3.11 in a VM, and it was faster than anything I remember back in the day, but the more important issues are in regards to interaction with newer hardware, support and especially security.

XP is is nowhere as secure as Vista/Win 7. This is a fact. Vista/Win 7 have finally started the process of modernizing Window's graphical API. GDI/GDI+ are one ther way out and soon Windows will use the modern GPU properly. Vista was a good start and Win 7 is cleaning that up. With the MinWin process, the kernel is becoming far more efficient, which means that is can perform better with less memory resources.

The GUI is becoming more modern. XP's Luna was fine for its release, but it's now long in the tooth and time to go. Vendors are going to stop supporting XP. That is a fact. It may take a year or two, but new hardware will not come with an XP driver. Writing drivers cost money and vendors are trying to cut costs.

To the OP, I can't convince you. You've made your mind up already. Vista and Win 7 will not likely be faster than XP for many jobs. Just like Win 2000 was faster than XP for many things, but the march of progress is not going to stop for you. At one point you are going to upgrade, it may not even be a MS OS that you move to, but XP is dead.

PhreePhly
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17 Jun 2009   #53
ten

XP / Windows 7 Pro RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lebon14 View Post
Look, I'm sick and tired of seeing you say "WinXP is faster than Win7".
I would get used to people saying that.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lebon14 View Post
XP needs to DIE in a long and painful death.
It's just software folks. No need to get that worked up over it.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lebon14 View Post
Get a decent Core 2 Duo with added 1GB of RAM and you shall see the light.
So basically, upgrade your hardware so you can get the same performance you are getting now.
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17 Jun 2009   #54
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x3, Ubuntu
 
 

Just one thing to add when considering benchmarking between XP and Windows 7.

  • XP is a mature OS in release form with mature hardware drivers which have been tweaked and tuned over several years.
  • Windows 7 is still pre-release software with the majority of drivers available being first generation, the only true test will be when the release version of window 7 is available, (with all debug code removed), and with more advanced drivers
Microsoft themselves have warned against running comparative benchmarks until the OS is fully released, So I am expecting an improvement on release, and of course as we are approaching the final release each interim build is being reported as showing speed increases
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17 Jun 2009   #55
bansh

Windows 7 Professional x64 (Build 7600)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
Just one thing to add when considering benchmarking between XP and Windows 7.

  • XP is a mature OS in release form with mature hardware drivers which have been tweaked and tuned over several years.
  • Windows 7 is still pre-release software with the majority of drivers available being first generation, the only true test will be when the release version of window 7 is available, (with all debug code removed), and with more advanced drivers
Microsoft themselves have warned against running comparative benchmarks until the OS is fully released, So I am expecting an improvement on release, and of course as we are approaching the final release each interim build is being reported as showing speed increases
+1

Here we compare Windows XP SP3 (8 Years ongoing development since released)

vs

Windows 7 (not even released)

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18 Jun 2009   #56
Mercurial

Windows 7 32bit RTM
 
 

Also Imagine it having almost every feature in vista yet. its almost same as xp in terms of speed. :P

If you try to put E.G windows search or vista start menu on XP and ect. it will be slow as first vista release lol.
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18 Jun 2009   #57
smarteyeball

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Captain Zero View Post
We're all fans of XP,
lol, are we?

It's all a moot point really. XP has had it's day and it's now time to let it go.

I'm more than happy to trade a few seconds here and a little more resources there in exchange for a vast amount of increased functionality across the board.
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18 Jun 2009   #58
ppp

Windows 7
 
 

Did anyone notice he's comparing XP x64 to Win7 x64? I call troll. Anyone who says XP x64 is anything other than A. Dui Pyle is just flat out lying.
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18 Jun 2009   #59
FreakyFerret

 
 

None of the benchmarks and results people have posted in this thread are valid. All of them are missing necessary detailing of settings, drivers used, etc. One guy mentioned he uses NTFS compression. Did he use this in XP as well? What effect does XP versus 7's NTFS compression have if any even? Also what build of 7 was being used? Beta? RC? 7200? I would expect the latest builds to outperform the beta version. I would not consider a benchmark of the RC to even be worthwhile considering how old it is now.

If you want to say X is faster than Y, then you need to detail all of it.
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18 Jun 2009   #60
dmex

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ppp View Post
Did anyone notice he's comparing XP x64 to Win7 x64? I call troll. Anyone who says XP x64 is anything other than A. Dui Pyle is just flat out lying.
I noticed He didn't comment on the various Video links I posted for him two days ago that answered all his questions

And your right, anyone who has used XP X64 for awhile knows it absolutely sucks, everyone at my company hates it with the same passion for hating WinME

I'm inclined to close the thread before it starts attracting more birds of the same feather that somehow flock together
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