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Windows 7: why partition?

23 Jan 2011   #11
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RoronoaDSanji View Post
a little update, i have read in my other post that having more partitions will benefit when doing defrag, backups, or virus scan. because you dont need to say, defrag the whole giant partitions, instead, you can just defrag the one that is heavly fragmented; same goes to back up and virus scan.
also, i got another question, i had been using this computer for almost 2 years, but windows always say that defragmentation is not needed. i guess thats a good thing, but i thought the longer you use it, the heavier the fragment is.
How quickly the OS partition fragments depends on how you use it. Some programs produces a lot more fragmentation than others. I haven't defragged my C: drive in months, and it is now at 2.15% fragmented. I have seen times when I needed to defrag it every week, but that was when I was less discriminating out what could write to it.


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23 Jan 2011   #12
RoronoaDSanji

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

thx rap#, umm. for me i only back up once when i first install my os, and the applications that i need all the time, those work file, music and everything else i save them on my hard drive, since i never experienced hard drive failure (maybe i will learn when it fails) i think this problem is solved now, but i got new problems.

as i said before, i am reinstalling windows 7, when im in the screen where you delete format or create new partition, all those options are grayed out, except for the format button on my C partition and the hidden windows7 partition
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23 Jan 2011   #13
RoronoaDSanji

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

@Dzomlija, i see what you mean now, btw, Western Digital green claims that the harddrive is turned off when ever im not using it, but everytime i go in and navigate, it takes a while for it to load, is it because it is talking time to turn back on? or i seted up wrong? cause i think it is just stupid if it takes like 10+second to navigate a file inside everytime i open it.

@seekermiester, what program generally generates fragments ? the programs i often use are ms office, photoshop/illustrator, 3dsmax, msn, a few downloading programs, and a ton of games. i cant think of other types of programs really that generates lots of fragments, but im really noob at this, in fact, i dont even truely understand what fragment really is
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23 Jan 2011   #14
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dzomlija View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RoronoaDSanji View Post
THX everyone for such a quick reply, i guess i will not partition my harddrives now, with the reasons given by most of you.
but a question for Dzomlija, how is powering off the computer damaging the hard drive?
It's a matter of opinion really, and some may argue otherwise, but daily power on/power off (in my opinion) is stressfull to moving parts of a computer, such as fans and hard disk motors.

For this same reason also in Power Management, I tell Windows to never turn off my hard disks, and I set the BIOS to always run my fans at full speed.
I'm not one to disagree. My computer stays on 24/7 also. When hard drives are off, they cool, and the lubrication of the spindle congeals. That causes the drive to be sluggish on start, and more wear occurs. Heating and cooling effects most any kind of electroncs, whether lubrication is a factor or not. It seems that every time that I have had something fail on my system, it was when I had powered down for some reason, and when restarting, something blows a gasket.
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23 Jan 2011   #15
RoronoaDSanji

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

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THX everyone for such a quick reply, i guess i will not partition my harddrives now, with the reasons given by most of you.
but a question for Dzomlija, how is powering off the computer damaging the hard drive?
It's a matter of opinion really, and some may argue otherwise, but daily power on/power off (in my opinion) is stressfull to moving parts of a computer, such as fans and hard disk motors.

For this same reason also in Power Management, I tell Windows to never turn off my hard disks, and I set the BIOS to always run my fans at full speed.
I'm not one to disagree. My computer stays on 24/7 also. When hard drives are off, they cool, and the lubrication of the spindle congeals. That causes the drive to be sluggish on start, and more wear occurs. Heating and cooling effects most any kind of electroncs, whether lubrication is a factor or not. It seems that every time that I have had something fail on my system, it was when I had powered down for some reason, and when restarting, something blows a gasket.
but for me, a lot of times windows decide yo f me up, and restart always fixes it, also, what happen after you install a driver, dont you have to restart?
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23 Jan 2011   #16
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RoronoaDSanji View Post
@seekermiester, what program generally generates fragments ? the programs i often use are ms office, photoshop/illustrator, 3dsmax, msn, a few downloading programs, and a ton of games. i cant think of other types of programs really that generates lots of fragments, but im really noob at this, in fact, i dont even truely understand what fragment really is
The easy answer is games, but any program that writes a lot of data to the drive contributes to fragmentation. It is something that you simply need to observe over time with the programs that you use. Something that would help with that is a defragger, like O&O, which lets you see areas of fragmentation on the drive, and lets you select fragmented blocks to see what is written in them.

EDIT: Fragmentation is when data is for a particular function is written in scattered locations in a partition, rather than in a continous sequential line. When data is fragmented, it required the drive to have to do a lot of seeking to locate what is needed, which slows down operations. Ideally, a single file should be in the same location, instead of being broken into pieces. This is also true of program directories containing multiple files which are dependent on each other. For all practical purposes, it is not possible to eliminate fragmentation or dislocation altogether, only minimize it.
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23 Jan 2011   #17
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RoronoaDSanji View Post
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It's a matter of opinion really, and some may argue otherwise, but daily power on/power off (in my opinion) is stressfull to moving parts of a computer, such as fans and hard disk motors.

For this same reason also in Power Management, I tell Windows to never turn off my hard disks, and I set the BIOS to always run my fans at full speed.
I'm not one to disagree. My computer stays on 24/7 also. When hard drives are off, they cool, and the lubrication of the spindle congeals. That causes the drive to be sluggish on start, and more wear occurs. Heating and cooling effects most any kind of electroncs, whether lubrication is a factor or not. It seems that every time that I have had something fail on my system, it was when I had powered down for some reason, and when restarting, something blows a gasket.
but for me, a lot of times windows decide yo f me up, and restart always fixes it, also, what happen after you install a driver, dont you have to restart?
A restart is not the same thing as powering down.
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23 Jan 2011   #18
RoronoaDSanji

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

thanks a lot seeker, now i basically understand most of the stuff, any help on the greyed out delete, format, and create new partition button when installing windows7 ? btw, should i mark one of them active in order for it to work? i forgot how i installed it last time, lol
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23 Jan 2011   #19
Dzomlija

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RoronoaDSanji View Post
thanks a lot seeker, now i basically understand most of the stuff, any help on the greyed out delete, format, and create new partition button when installing windows7 ? btw, should i mark one of them active in order for it to work? i forgot how i installed it last time, lol
You might want to read this: Clean Install Windows 7
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23 Jan 2011   #20
seekermeister

W7x64 Pro, SuSe 12.1/** W7 x64 Pro, XP MCE
 
 

I'm not sure that I understand what the problem is with the grayed out items, so I will let someone else comment on that. However, you definitely want the partition that the OS resides on to be active, and from what you have said about not partitioning, obviously the partition needs to be marked active.

EDIT: Back on the fragmentation aspect, one thing that may cause excess fragmentation is to have the paging file on the same partition with the OS, etc. I create small partitions strictly for them. Some people do not use a page file at all, but I can't see the advantage in that.
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