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Windows 7: How to get rid of "Do you want to allow..."?

17 Jan 2011   #61
Dzomlija

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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My view is that if UAC was more selective (lets say for example through the use of a whitelist), notwithstanding the issues about the whitelist being compromised, the human brain would get "lazy" so to speak, and not be required to "think" about the decision it faces.
That is opposite to the way the brain actually works. It focuses on novelty and filters the familiar.

If you don't have a white-list and you get 5 UACs every day, you just start answering on auto pilot.

If you have a white-list and get one per week, you are much more likely to pay attention to it.

Thus from a psychological point of view, it is best to minimize UACs to the bare minimum so they will be more likely to be viewed as novel events when a real issue occurs.
And the best way to reduce the frequent occurances of UAC prompts is to update your software to versions that are UAC aware and are designed to function without elevated administrator rights.

It should be noted that whenever I install Windows 7 for a client, or for myself, I always set UAC to it's highest level so that it works more like it did in Vista:
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It should also be noted that I personally receive 1, maybe 2, UAC prompts in a month doing normal work (primarily application development) on my own computer. My current record is around 3 months without a single prompt...




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08 May 2011   #62
Charlie123

Windows 7 64 bit
 
 

SIMPLE

1. Give us a whitelist.
2. Show the UAC promt when adding a program to the whitelist.
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08 May 2011   #63
chrysalis

windows 8.1 Pro x64
 
 

someone made a whitelist app but given its the same author as the very buggy tweakie9 app I didnt dare try it.
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08 May 2011   #64
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie123 View Post
SIMPLE

1. Give us a whitelist.
2. Show the UAC promt when adding a program to the whitelist.
3. Allow virus onto whitelist and get screwed.

Unfortunately, having a whitelist just doesn't work.

~Lordbob
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08 May 2011   #65
Tepid

Win 7 Ultimate 32bit
 
 

Quote:
And the best way to reduce the frequent occurances of UAC prompts is to update your software to versions that are UAC aware and are designed to function without elevated administrator rights.
That is the absolute answer.

Any application (and there are some still) that requires you to disable UAC in order for it to function properly...
You should be wary of,,, Why?

Because they are not coding properly in the first place.
They are not following MS standards for creating a Secure application.
They are skirting security and doing what was allowed in XP which made XP far less secure over all.

Those companies do need to be weeded out and forced to code correctly or disappear.
They do not care about your security, or theirs, they just want your money.
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08 May 2011   #66
chrysalis

windows 8.1 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie123 View Post
SIMPLE

1. Give us a whitelist.
2. Show the UAC promt when adding a program to the whitelist.
3. Allow virus onto whitelist and get screwed.

Unfortunately, having a whitelist just doesn't work.

~Lordbob
nothing like treating your userbase like kids.

why would a sane person add a virus to their whitelist.
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08 May 2011   #67
logicearth

Windows 10 Pro (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chrysalis View Post
nothing like treating your userbase like kids.

why would a sane person add a virus to their whitelist.
Real users who use computers are kids. I support them every single day.
THEY NEED THEIR HAND HELD 24/7.
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08 May 2011   #68
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chrysalis View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Charlie123 View Post
SIMPLE

1. Give us a whitelist.
2. Show the UAC promt when adding a program to the whitelist.
3. Allow virus onto whitelist and get screwed.

Unfortunately, having a whitelist just doesn't work.

~Lordbob
nothing like treating your userbase like kids.

why would a sane person add a virus to their whitelist.
So you are telling me that every [sane] person knows exactly what every virus looks like and can tell to not add them?

~Lordbob
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08 May 2011   #69
MacGyvr

Windows 7 Ultimate RTM (Technet)
 
 

UGH, just let the ones who don't want to use UAC turn it off and get infected. Arguing about it does nothing. They will find out soon enough. Personally, I am suspicious of anyone who is getting overwhelmed by UAC prompts. I *might* get one a day, but I don't even think I get that many. Enjoy all your little hacking tools and unnecessary hardware monitors. If you need to monitor that much about your PC, you probably need a new one. It's kind of like a car. I use it to get from place to place...I don't want to spend more time rebuilding it than I do *using* it.
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08 May 2011   #70
chrysalis

windows 8.1 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chrysalis View Post
nothing like treating your userbase like kids.

why would a sane person add a virus to their whitelist.
Real users who use computers are kids. I support them every single day.
THEY NEED THEIR HAND HELD 24/7.
ok lets put it like this.

A typical malware only needs to successfully run once to to do its business, in which case it doesnt need to be whitelisted, it just needs someone to click yes once. Considering that having a whitelist per executable will not significantly increase risk. One that will reprompt if the hash value changes. The risk may become higher tho if it whitelist entire directories or from domain etc.

The way I would do it is have a whitelist feature off by default, allow advanced users to turn on, after that the option to whitelist only appears the 2nd time the program is run. Ultimately the user is responsible for their own security.
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