'Upgrade or Full' What is the difference..

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  1. Lordbob75
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    alexlonca said:
    there is no full install Key . there is installation key .
    upgrade DVD requires a previous installation but it has nothing to do with install Key.
    No, they are very different. If you do a full install and try to activate your copy with an Upgrade key, it will not work. If you upgrade and try to activate it with a Full install key, it wont work.

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  3. desertjedi
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    I pre-ordered the Home Premium Upgrade today. When I go to install it, I'm hoping that 7 will prompt me to insert my XP CD, which will, in fact, be an OEM CD. I may or may not have XP installed on my HDD at this time.

    I'm hoping that is how the upgrade will work. In the past (long ago), I remember it working that way. I can't see M$ expecting you to have a working and installed version of XP. Hell, what if your hard drive died on Oct. 21st?...one day before you receive your 7 Upgrade?

    I also can't see M$ expecting you to have a full retail XP CD. I just read that 95% of Windows sales are OEM (packaged with a new PC).

    UPDATE: According to this informative article (http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...than-vista.ars), you'll need to have XP installed and then the 7 Upgrade install will zap the XP install and write 7 over it (on the same partition). If such is the case, I doubt M$ will be too concerned about questionable copies of the OS. If they had you insert your XP CD, then I could see them being a bit more thorough about that.

    I also found out that my pricing was wrong. I thought Full 7 Pro costs $199, it really costs $299!!! I went ahead and ordered an upgrade version of Pro for my business for $99.
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  4. hakanevil
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    why buy a full version?


    didnt read thru all pages so i might have missed something but:

    If I buy a new pc, with no OS and a "upgrade" version of w7 because its cheaper than full... Can I install the upgrade (will it even allow me to do that on a empty HD?) without entering the Product Key?... After the setup is complete I install it again and enter the Key and now i have a full 100% legit install of w7?
    If this works, why is there even a full version to buy? Other than that you only have to install it once?
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  6. grouchpunk08
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    hakanevil said:
    didnt read thru all pages so i might have missed something but:

    If I buy a new pc, with no OS and a "upgrade" version of w7 because its cheaper than full... Can I install the upgrade (will it even allow me to do that on a empty HD?) without entering the Product Key?... After the setup is complete I install it again and enter the Key and now i have a full 100% legit install of w7?
    If this works, why is there even a full version to buy? Other than that you only have to install it once?
    Yes
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  7. Lordbob75
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    grouchpunk08 said:
    hakanevil said:
    didnt read thru all pages so i might have missed something but:

    If I buy a new pc, with no OS and a "upgrade" version of w7 because its cheaper than full... Can I install the upgrade (will it even allow me to do that on a empty HD?) without entering the Product Key?... After the setup is complete I install it again and enter the Key and now i have a full 100% legit install of w7?
    If this works, why is there even a full version to buy? Other than that you only have to install it once?
    Yes
    No.

    It is possible to do a full install from an Upgrade disk.
    But to do that on a new computer with no previous OS (i.e. Vista), then it will work, but WILL NOT be legal. That is why you will need the full version.

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  8. grouchpunk08
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    Lordbob75 said:
    grouchpunk08 said:
    hakanevil said:
    didnt read thru all pages so i might have missed something but:

    If I buy a new pc, with no OS and a "upgrade" version of w7 because its cheaper than full... Can I install the upgrade (will it even allow me to do that on a empty HD?) without entering the Product Key?... After the setup is complete I install it again and enter the Key and now i have a full 100% legit install of w7?
    If this works, why is there even a full version to buy? Other than that you only have to install it once?
    Yes
    No.

    It is possible to do a full install from an Upgrade disk.
    But to do that on a new computer with no previous OS (i.e. Vista), then it will work, but WILL NOT be legal. That is why you will need the full version.

    ~Lordbob
    But its possible, so yes. . He didn't ask if it was legal, he asked if it was possible.
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  10. Lordbob75
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    grouchpunk08 said:
    Lordbob75 said:
    grouchpunk08 said:
    Yes
    No.

    It is possible to do a full install from an Upgrade disk.
    But to do that on a new computer with no previous OS (i.e. Vista), then it will work, but WILL NOT be legal. That is why you will need the full version.

    ~Lordbob
    But its possible, so yes. . He didn't ask if it was legal, he asked if it was possible.
    I interpreted legit as legal as well.

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  11. TheTeZ
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    tugas2khas said:
    Arkhan said:
    Full versions can do a clean install on a machine with no OS, upgrade requires a copy of xp or vista on that machine already (as far as the licence goes, anyway) - and it checks, so you need windows installed already to do a clean upgrade. Installing the upgrade copy twice allows you to get past that requirement.

    OEM prices will come out presumably closer to launch date.
    If it need windows already installed, do i need to reinstall the vista, and then upgrade to 7... now i only have 7 on my machine... and i already throw away the vista CD... only the sticker at the bottom of my laptop still stick strong.

    doesnt need to be installed, you just need a CD... i think ...theoretically... a copy would work too.... ... it asks you to pop it in if your doing a clean install. it reads it, makes sure it is a prior copy of windows than continues with the install. No difference really, except ... putting in a CD and taking it out.....
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  12. Snufffed
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    hakanevil said:
    didnt read thru all pages so i might have missed something but:

    If I buy a new pc, with no OS and a "upgrade" version of w7 because its cheaper than full... Can I install the upgrade (will it even allow me to do that on a empty HD?) without entering the Product Key?... After the setup is complete I install it again and enter the Key and now i have a full 100% legit install of w7?
    If this works, why is there even a full version to buy? Other than that you only have to install it once?
    It has been this way since Windows 3.1 - You might Ask Microsoft,
    but I'm sure it is because many ppl think "Upgrade" only works one way.
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  13. ratronic
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    Just some info, I had vista home premium installed and then put in win7 rc. Since then I rebuilt my computer (motherboard, processor, etc) and installed the win7 rc disk I originally downloaded with the first Computer. Then on the 22nd I down loaded the preorder upgrade iso and installed it over the rc with the new key provided and it works just fine.
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