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Windows 7: RTM vs Retail

05 Jul 2009   #11
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Hahahaha. Ok.
RTM is release to market. That means stores AND computer makers. The OS is EXACTLY the same. But the version that comes pre-installed includes all the crapware and bloatware computer makers put on it.
RTM and retail are just two different ways of saying the same thing.

Now, if you want to argue Retail VS OEM, then you have an argument!
Retail is what you go buy in a store like BestBuy and OEM is what system builders buy to put on your computer.

~Lordbob


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05 Jul 2009   #12
lordofpi

Blackcomb Vienna Windows6.1 Windows7
 
 

This may be just nitpicking, Bob, but I always took RTM -- in the sense we are using it here -- to only mean release-to-manufacturers (i.e., exclusively to OEMs) so that they can begin creating their "bundles" as mentioned earlier. Retail release is something different, though the same product coming from MS. I'm sure someone will correct me for mixing up terms here.
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05 Jul 2009   #13
Chappy

Vista Ult 64bit - Windows 7 Ult 7264 64bit
 
 

And (besides what LordyBOB said above) an OEM license ties that copy to a single machine, it is not transferable to another machine if you build a new one.
To make it clear, if you buy OEM and install and activate on your current machine and then six months later you want to build a new one, you can't move the OS over to the new build, it will not activate.
Now, there is a way around that but I cannot and will not discuss it here, or in PM here...you must find it yourself (sorry..).
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05 Jul 2009   #14
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lordofpi View Post
This may be just nitpicking, Bob, but I always took RTM -- in the sense we are using it here -- to only mean release-to-manufacturers (i.e., exclusively to OEMs) so that they can begin creating their "bundles" as mentioned earlier. Retail release is something different, though the same product coming from MS. I'm sure someone will correct me for mixing up terms here.
I heard it as Release to Market. That would explain part of the confusion, and would clear it up.

So lets look at it like this:
RTM (as release to MARKET) would be the same as the retail (and OEM).
RTM (as release to MANUFACTURER) would be the OEM version, slighly different from OEM.

~Lordbob
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06 Jul 2009   #15
Frostbite

 

This seams to explain RTM quite well
Engineering Windows 7 : Our Next Engineering Milestone

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This post is about the path from RC to what we call RTM, release to manufacturing. RTM is not one point in time but a “process” as from RTM we enable the PC manufacturers to begin their processes of building Windows 7 images for new PCs, readying downloads for existing machines, and preparing the full supply chain to deliver Windows 7 to customers. Thus RTM is the final stage in our engineering of Windows 7, but the engineering continues from RTM until you can purchase Windows 7 and Windows 7 PCs in stores at General Availability, or GA.

So I see RTM as the final development of Windows before OEM's add there bits for GA or retail.
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06 Jul 2009   #16
fakeasdf

Win 7 Pro x64 x 3, Win 7 Pro x86, Ubuntu 9.04
 
 

Corporations also gain access to Windows 7 @ RTM as well. I remember when Vista RTM'd we had access to our enterprise edition of Windows Vista months before it hit the shelves...
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06 Jul 2009   #17
xendrome

Windows 7 RTM
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 7echno7im View Post
RTM is bound to the system though, retail is not. For OEM system builders.

RTM has nothing to do with licensing

RTM is a Code base, just as Alpha, Beta, Release Candidate. It has nothing to do with being bound to anything.

OEM, Retail, Upgrade, VLK, KMS, MAK are all licensing options.
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06 Jul 2009   #18
PhreePhly

Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lordbob75 View Post
I heard it as Release to Market. That would explain part of the confusion, and would clear it up.

So lets look at it like this:
RTM (as release to MARKET) would be the same as the retail (and OEM).
RTM (as release to MANUFACTURER) would be the OEM version, slighly different from OEM.

~Lordbob
RTM means Release To Manufacturing. All this means is that the code is gold and can be mastered for manufacturing. MS does not manufacture the actual CD/DVDs. These go to a publisher.

There is no license attached to RTM. The licensing happens at the time of publishing.

If you are a TechNet or MSDN member, you will download the RTM code and be bound by the licensing terms of TechNet/MSDN. The RTM build does not accept OEM keys, only Retail keys.

PhreePhly
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06 Jul 2009   #19
Nibiru2008

Windows 7 Professional X64 Build 7600.16385 (win7_rtm.090713-1255)
 
 

Since I am quite new here to this site... I have one question.
Would links to the new builds and/or RTM be available?
What about torrent sites?

(Ooops... that's two questions.)

I hope that I'm not breaking any rules, at least from how I understand them. I re-read Rule #7 again and I think I'm following the spirit of the rule.
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06 Jul 2009   #20
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Nibiru2008 View Post
Since I am quite new here to this site... I have one question.
Would links to the new builds and/or RTM be available?
What about torrent sites?

(Ooops... that's two questions.)

I hope that I'm not breaking any rules, at least from how I understand them. I re-read Rule #7 again and I think I'm following the spirit of the rule.
Welcome to the forums.

If you mean now, then yes. You can get the builds from wherever, but when it is released, make sure you buy it

~Lordbob
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