Windows 7 Forums
Welcome to Windows 7 Forums. Our forum is dedicated to helping you find support and solutions for any problems regarding your Windows 7 PC be it Dell, HP, Acer, Asus or a custom build. We also provide an extensive Windows 7 tutorial section that covers a wide range of tips and tricks.


Windows 7: RTM vs Retail

06 Jul 2009   #21
Sven

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

OK, if RTM and Retail is exactly the same, then I have another dumb question.
What does Microsoft then do in the months between RTM-release and Retail release? If they found some bugs, would they not fix them then?
I must say, like Burgurne, that I'm confused about this.

I now ask a question, that I'm not quite sure is OK here, but I don't want to harm anybody.
Lordbo75 wrote If you mean now, then yes. You can get the builds from wherever, but when it is released, make sure you buy it .

Does that mean it is OK to find a leaked RTM version (if you can find a cd-key, as I guess the RC-keys will not work). I thought that was illegal! I can't go and buy a RTM, and the Retail is not for sale for some month yet, so now I'm confused.


My System SpecsSystem Spec
.
06 Jul 2009   #22
7echno7im

Windows 7 7600.16384 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sven View Post
OK, if RTM and Retail is exactly the same, then I have another dumb question.
What does Microsoft then do in the months between RTM-release and Retail release? If they found some bugs, would they not fix them then?
I must say, like Burgurne, that I'm confused about this.

I now ask a question, that I'm not quite sure is OK here, but I don't want to harm anybody.
Lordbo75 wrote If you mean now, then yes. You can get the builds from wherever, but when it is released, make sure you buy it .

Does that mean it is OK to find a leaked RTM version (if you can find a cd-key, as I guess the RC-keys will not work). I thought that was illegal! I can't go and buy a RTM, and the Retail is not for sale for some month yet, so now I'm confused.
Fixes would be released in patches on Patch Tuesday unless they were critical. Windows 7 Installer can check for install updates too, as started with Vista (Dynamic Updates). There may be updates ready in Windows update the day you install Windows 7 that were found between now and then. RTM is the "Golden Build" and will remain untouched until they release the next interim Windows 7 release, which would prob be Windows 7 SP1.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jul 2009   #23
Sammy

vista x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sven View Post
Does that mean it is OK to find a leaked RTM version (if you can find a cd-key, as I guess the RC-keys will not work). I thought that was illegal! I can't go and buy a RTM, and the Retail is not for sale for some month yet, so now I'm confused.
It is illegal unless you get a TechNet or other MS subscriptions that offer Windows OS downloads, MS always puts the Final RTM version on TechNet etc before it comes out to the general public.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
.

06 Jul 2009   #24
Lordbob75

Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sven View Post
I now ask a question, that I'm not quite sure is OK here, but I don't want to harm anybody.
Lordbo75 wrote If you mean now, then yes. You can get the builds from wherever, but when it is released, make sure you buy it .

Does that mean it is OK to find a leaked RTM version (if you can find a cd-key, as I guess the RC-keys will not work). I thought that was illegal! I can't go and buy a RTM, and the Retail is not for sale for some month yet, so now I'm confused.
Erhm.... Yes and No. You CAN use it if you have a purchased CD key. But since that would cost the same, you may as well buy it from a store.

~Lordbob
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jul 2009   #25
PhreePhly

Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sven View Post
OK, if RTM and Retail is exactly the same, then I have another dumb question.
What does Microsoft then do in the months between RTM-release and Retail release? If they found some bugs, would they not fix them then?
I must say, like Burgurne, that I'm confused about this.

I now ask a question, that I'm not quite sure is OK here, but I don't want to harm anybody.
Lordbo75 wrote If you mean now, then yes. You can get the builds from wherever, but when it is released, make sure you buy it .

Does that mean it is OK to find a leaked RTM version (if you can find a cd-key, as I guess the RC-keys will not work). I thought that was illegal! I can't go and buy a RTM, and the Retail is not for sale for some month yet, so now I'm confused.
The time between RTM and GA (General Availability) is used to manufacture to Millions of DVDs that need to get to the retail outlets. If a showstopper bug is found after RTM, a fix will be available via a patch for the retail product.

To answer your other question, I will use the following example:

I have a retail copy of Vista Ultimate. When SP1 and SP2 were released, I downloaded versions that had the SPs already slipstreamed, as it is my preferred method up upgrading to the newest SP. My key is legal, so I have no problem downloading these builds. I check the hashes with known sources.

PhreePhly
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jul 2009   #26
Studulike

Windows 7 Build 7600 Laptop and desktop. Also OSX 10.5.7 and 10.6 Snow on Laptop
 
 

Remember any version of Windows (Vista or Windows 7) is ok to install and use without a key for 30 without an activation. You then also have the option of rearm so technically you have kind of 120 days.
not totally sure of the legalities but you are never going to be prosecuted if you are not using an illegal key. 120 is going to give you plenty of time untill release so you can then go and buy.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jul 2009   #27
Sven

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

OK, so you mean I can install Windows 7 WITHOUT having a CD-key?? I have never had Vista, so I don't know about this, but XP could not be installed without a key.
And if XP was not activated, then I could not use Windows update, as it could not validate my legallity.
How about running Windows 7 RTM without a CD-key then? Will Windows update work on this?

Phreephly I see your example, but you then have a legal cd-key, which I of course don't have for Windows 7 (yet), but if your example is legal, then this is what I am going to do from now on. I'm then finished slipstreaming cd's/dvd's myself from a way outdated OS (my org. XP-cd is from before SP1 for XP was released)
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jul 2009   #28
fakeasdf

Win 7 Pro x64 x 3, Win 7 Pro x86, Ubuntu 9.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Studulike View Post
Remember any version of Windows (Vista or Windows 7) is ok to install and use without a key for 30 without an activation. You then also have the option of rearm so technically you have kind of 120 days.
not totally sure of the legalities but you are never going to be prosecuted if you are not using an illegal key. 120 is going to give you plenty of time untill release so you can then go and buy.
Microsoft is the one that implemented the rearm functionality, they even tell you how to do it on their site... It's not illegal
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jul 2009   #29
PhreePhly

Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sven View Post
...

Phreephly I see your example, but you then have a legal cd-key, which I of course don't have for Windows 7 (yet), but if your example is legal, then this is what I am going to do from now on. I'm then finished slipstreaming cd's/dvd's myself from a way outdated OS (my org. XP-cd is from before SP1 for XP was released)
The only caveat is that you must make sure that the ISO you are downloading hasn't been altered. I know a number of folks with MSDN/TechNet accounts, so they can provide me the file hashes that I need.

If you download an iso with a rootkit built in, you will never get rid of it.

PhreePhly
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jul 2009   #30
fakeasdf

Win 7 Pro x64 x 3, Win 7 Pro x86, Ubuntu 9.04
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by PhreePhly View Post
The only caveat is that you must make sure that the ISO you are downloading hasn't been altered. I know a number of folks with MSDN/TechNet accounts, so they can provide me the file hashes that I need.

If you download an iso with a rootkit built in, you will never get rid of it.

PhreePhly

Just to let you know PhreePhly you can sign up for a free TechNet account and view the hashes yourself
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Reply

 RTM vs Retail




Thread Tools




Similar help and support threads
Thread Forum
Windows Anytime Upgrade from RETAIL Pro to RETAIL Ultimate
Hi there, question about license keys... I have a retail copy of Win 7 Pro. I would like to install it in a virtual machine on my current computer and use Anytime Upgrade to upgrade it to Win 7 Ultimate. When I finally purchase a new computer, can I use the same upgrade key to put Win 7 Ultimate...
Windows Updates & Activation
Win 7 OEM or Retail
I bought a used computer with Win 7 Pro installed. I had to change mother boards. After that I kept getting message that my Win 7 was unauthorized, or something like that. I screwed the program up so bad I can't even use my printer. Can't get it designated as default printer, error 0x00000709. I...
Installation & Setup
Does W7 Retail Come With SP1?
Doesn't the retail full version of W7 come with SP1? I was looking around online and it doesn't appear to. OEM versions list SP1, but the regular version doesn't specify? What's with that?
General Discussion
retail vs RTM
I know RTM means release to manufacturing, but my question is this. Is there any advantage of buying and installing the reail version over the RTM 6.1 7600 builld that expires on 3/1/2010 ? Besides the obvious reason that I won't have to reformat later. Also is it possible to upgrade from...
General Discussion
Retail or OEM?
I'm about to install Windows 7 7600.16385 on a Sony Vaio FE880EH and Sony Vaio SR490. I was wondering which one I should install? Is there really a difference? EDIT: Also, if i installed Windows 7 and I wanted to downgrade back to Vista, can I do that with my recovery disk?
Installation & Setup
vista + win7 retail discs to upgrade win7 RC to retail
can i somehow use my vista disc at some point to allow the win7 retail install to upgrade the win7 RC AND NOT HAVE TO REINSTALL MY PROGRAMS? i currently have vista 32 bit home premium. i have the install discs for it too. i want to create another partition and put win7 RC 64 bit on it (dual...
General Discussion


Our Sites

Site Links

About Us

Find Us

Windows 7 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 7" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

Designer Media Ltd

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:48.
Twitter Facebook Google+ Seven Forums iOS App Seven Forums Android App