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Windows 7: "documents and settings" junction? disappeared

25 Apr 2011   #11
zdoe

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

not sure if it's the defragger wreaking havoc here, but could be, i guess.

most things DO work, so i don't (yet) want to use my image (which is 2 months old anyway).

with a bit of googling i found sysinternals junction - it enabled me to recreate the docs&sets junction:
C:\Users\john doe>junction "c:\Documents and Settings" "c:\users"

Junction v1.06 - Windows junction creator and reparse point viewer
Copyright (C) 2000-2010 Mark Russinovich
Sysinternals - Windows Sysinternals: Documentation, downloads and additional resources

Created: c:\Documents and Settings
Targetted at: c:\users

C:\Users\john doe>junction "c:\Documents and Settings\All Users" "c:\users\public"

Junction v1.06 - Windows junction creator and reparse point viewer
Copyright (C) 2000-2010 Mark Russinovich
Sysinternals - Windows Sysinternals: Documentation, downloads and additional resources

Created: c:\Documents and Settings\All Users
Targetted at: c:\users\public

and another one to \users\public for documents and settings\all users - for good measure. what OTHER junctions i might be missing in doing this?

to answer my own question - i currently suspect that the junctions are symlinks (to use the linux word) that reside in the NTFS file system itself. am i right or wrong?


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25 Apr 2011   #12
Mike Connor

Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

You are correct. That is most likely why your system is messed up. The defragger has probably scrambled the links.

As I wrote, try a normal Windows defrag. It might recover. I don't know of any other sensible way to do it.

Restoring various links manually is not likely to work, there are just too many problems with permissions etc.

Once you alter anything at all on a system default junction, you might as well do a clean install, because I guarantee you will never get that system running properly again.

In this case you don't even know what links have been affected, or how.

If you have already manually recreated junctions, then it is probably too late to do anything at all.

Even taking ownership of a default system junction, ( which all newbies try, and they all shoot themselves in the foot by so doing, as the system fails as a result), renders a system useless.

Regards....Mike Connor
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25 Apr 2011   #13
zdoe

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Mike Connor View Post
I have had several cases where Puran defrag killed a system. If you have no malware, and you have done nothing else, then that is most likely the cause. Regards....Mike Connor
i had NOT read your response carefully enough - then i'm now SURE that it's puran that killed me. pity - since pctools 15 years ago, it appears to be the only defragger that attempts to allow the user to use the fast part of the drive for everyday tasks on a drive that's filling up.
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25 Apr 2011   #14
zdoe

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

yes i HAVE now recreated the junction points as in the earlier post. will try the win defragger as well for good measure - can't hurt.

clean install is not really an option - this software environment is so complex that to get back to where i (still) am would be a month of work, or more.
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25 Apr 2011   #15
Mike Connor

Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zdoe View Post
yes i HAVE now recreated the junction points as in the earlier post. will try the win defragger as well for good measure - can't hurt.

clean install is not really an option - this software environment is so complex that to get back to where i (still) am would be a month of work, or more.
There are plenty of defraggers out there that will do all sorts of things, but the plain truth is that the built in defragger works perfectly well, respects "layout.ini" used by the built in optimiser, and wont damage the system.

Unless you have very special needs, and know exactly what you are doing, then there is no point in using any other defraggers, not least because it will make no noticeable difference to system performance.

You might find this interesting;

Extremely long shut down & hibernate

Extremely long shut down & hibernate

Two defraggers which will do what you want and have never caused me any problems, are the O&O defragger,

http://www.oo-software.com/free/en/ ( Although I mostly used the professional versions ).

and this one;

http://www.disktrix.com/

( This was the last freeware edition I believe; http://download.cnet.com/UltimateDef...-10582157.html I have not used it on Windows 7 ).

Which is extremely powerful and very very customisable. There are others as well, but I see no point in using any of them on my personal machines. I have never noticed any performance gains at all in normal use, so I simply don't bother with other defraggers any more. I have the windows defragger scheduled to run once a week.


Regards....Mike Connor
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25 Apr 2011   #16
zdoe

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

trying ultimate defrag next. thanks for all the pointers.
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25 Apr 2011   #17
Mike Connor

Several, including Windows 7 x64 Ultimate
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zdoe View Post
trying ultimate defrag next. thanks for all the pointers.

My pleasure. Hope you manage to get everything sorted out.

Regards....Mike Connor
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