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Windows 7: In defence of Vista

17 Jul 2009   #31
sjaak327

Windows Vista, Server 2008, Leopard, Suse
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by FXDriverGuy View Post
As a final note, some w3schools OS statistics for June 2009

WinXP: 66,9%, Vista: 18.3% (OS Statistics)

Note that Windows 7 already had by June a market share similar to the first few months of Vista on the shelves.

Nobody denies the market share of XP, I wonder why you included Windows 7 marketshare comparison as opposed to Vista. At the end of the day, Windows 7 is a better Vista, no doubt about it. It is however only marginally better then Vista. It is for a very large part similar to Vista. According to Microsoft's own admission, no large changes have been made to the internals of the OS, as the number one priority and hence adagium from Microsoft states that if it runs on Vista, it will run on Windows 7.

Saying Vista sucks and then praising Windows 7 does not stop to amaze me. (not saying you in particular are doing that by the way, but some people surely do).


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17 Jul 2009   #32
FXDriverGuy

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sjaak327 View Post
Yeah they might be technie friends, but I doubt they know anything about security. Your first quote, regarding NT, please show me what major attack brought down NT 4.0 in drones, in the same was as attacks in 2001, 2002 did to XP ?

Nt 4.0 released in 1996 was simply end of support.
God, people can you please stop making statements that have nothing to do with reality? "XP" "attacks", such as W32.Blaster more infamously, affected almost always XP and 2000 and NT. Although, using the same example, most Blaster variants didn't bother with coding anything for NT, just as nobody bothers with exploiting vulnerabilities in OSes not many people use.
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17 Jul 2009   #33
sjaak327

Windows Vista, Server 2008, Leopard, Suse
 
 

The fact that in XP a lot of code was added to "merge" the old Windows 3, 95, 98 and me line, makes XP by definition more vulnerable then Windows 2000 and NT.

Good example is the recent flaw in activeX, that does not affect windows 2000. It does effect Windows Xp and Server 2003 only.
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17 Jul 2009   #34
FXDriverGuy

Windows 7
 
 

NT was full of huge bugs that didn't become apparent until the days of 2000 and XP, when people actually started using the OS. And anyone will tell you that the kernel was pretty monolithic back then, which made patching exploits very difficult if not impossible. And that's actually the reason MS stopped supporting NT, as officially announced, whether you believe it or not.

When 2000 came out word on the street was that it had thousands of known flaws and leaked documents confirmed that. And it had so many flaws because the merging of 95/98 features which you say happened with XP actually happened in 2000. And XP was delayed and Me was brought out to replace it on home desktops because that merge didn't go well.

XP was introduced in August 2001 and its SP2 came out 3 years later. Vista came out at the end of 2006, after an extensive public beta testing. Its second service pack is already out.

I'm not even going to mention which of Microsoft's NT-based OSes has been the fastest so far. There are countless benchmarks all over the net for anyone still in doubt.

I didn't see the many examples I was expecting, of XP attacks in 2001 and 2002 which didn't affect 2000 and NT at all. As for the "ActiveX vulnerability" it's actually a bug in the ATL which affects much more than a video control in XP and 2003. That's why MS hasn't "fixed" it for a year. Poke around you'll eventually find out about it.

All in all, as I said from the very start, XP delivered and kept on delivering. Any OS used so much for so much time will be attacked and then attacked some more. But it is used so much and for so much time for a reason. Hopefully 7 will be able to replace it on most people's desktops and even more hopefully I won't have to go through anyone else's "facts".
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17 Jul 2009   #35
sjaak327

Windows Vista, Server 2008, Leopard, Suse
 
 

"I didn't see the many examples I was expecting, of XP attacks in 2001 and 2002 which didn't affect 2000 and NT at all. As for the "ActiveX vulnerability" it's actually a bug in the ATL which affects much more than a video control in XP and 2003. That's why MS hasn't "fixed" it for a year. Poke around you'll eventually find out about it."

Right, so how does that make XP any safer ? Answer it doesn't. My remark about XP being the most insecure OS ever developed by Microsoft still stands. You could indeed argue that NT carries the same flaws, but by that same argurment, you cannot say that it is therefore more insecure then XP, something you do seem to imply by linking that vulnerablity that made MS give up on NT, a vulnerability that also applied to Windows 2000 and XP. I do agree that XP was and is used much more then NT and 2000, and indeed that also make the chance of exploiting vulnerabiltiies much more likely. The problem with XP prior to SP2 was that nothing really had been done to address the inherit security flaws within the NT system. SP2 did improve it a bit, but nowhere near enough.

At the end of the day, it is clear to anyone that Vista delivers the security, that XP, to this day doens't deliver. And you only need to go out in the workspace and manage corporate networks and see the mess that a simple email attachment can do to XP, as opposed to vista, and that was the whole point of my remark in the first place.
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17 Jul 2009   #36
FXDriverGuy

Windows 7
 
 

Is there something you don't want to understand, maybe? XP was definitely more secure than NT and 2000 when it came out, many things needed fixing and were fixed along the way. And the fact is that Vista is already more patched than XP was at the same point in time. And the "ActiveX" bug certainly affects Vista code, MS won't announce the actual bug before it's completely fixed. And I can't really see how UAC helped corporate networks, unless they were giving all of their users admin rights in the first place. And I'm really, really done with this thread.
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17 Jul 2009   #37
sjaak327

Windows Vista, Server 2008, Leopard, Suse
 
 

" And I can't really see how UAC helped corporate networks, unless they were giving all of their users admin rights in the first place."

Many do on XP ,as it is a disaster to run without it in many cases. Welcome to the corporate world.

Another reason why Vista is so much better as opposed to XP, you actually can run as admin on Vista and still be safe.
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