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Windows 7: Adding a 5th partition

23 May 2011   #1
Vincenzo

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 
Adding a 5th partition

I am going to be helping a friend who has an HP computer that has 4 primary partitions already. We need to add a 5th partition.

Seems like the two options are:
1. convert a partition to Extended and add logical partitions in it

2. Eliminate the System Reserved partition, mark the C: partition as active, and then run startup repair 3 times to recreate the boot files into the C: drive.

Is this an accurate assessment, and if so, what are the tradeoffs of each method?

I know that with #2 you would lose use of the system tools that are there, but a Win 7 Repair Disc would work for those purposes when needed.

I don't have access to the computer now, so I can't post any screenshots.

Thanks


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23 May 2011   #2
pbcopter

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1, Windows 8.1 Pro x64, Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Personally, I prefer the extended partiton option.
To me, it has no down side.
The logical partitions can be bootable if an operaing system is installed on them.
Just my opinion.
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23 May 2011   #3
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

I would make the C partition logical - use the bootable CD of this program Best Free Partition Manager Freeware for Windows 7, Windows Vista, and Windows XP 32 bit & 64 bit. MiniTool Free Partition Manager Software Home Edition. The controls are in Partition tab > Modify.
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24 May 2011   #4
Vincenzo

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

If I am understanding correctly, are you both suggesting the same solution - to convert the C partition into a logical drive? Then to shrink it, and create a new logical partition in the unallocated space?

Are there any steps to be done to ensure that it stays bootable?

Thanks
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24 May 2011   #5
pbcopter

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1, Windows 8.1 Pro x64, Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

I would not make the C: partiton logical. I would make one of the non operating system partitions extended and logical.
But then that's just me.
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24 May 2011   #6
Mark Phelps

Win7 Pro 32-bit, Win8 Pro 32-bit
 
 

My own recommendation, having run into a similar problem, would be more along the lines of what you already proposed:
1) Move the Win7 boot loader files into the "C" partition. You can install EasyBCD from NeoSmart Technologies and it has a menu item to do this for you.
2) Reboot to confirm that the migration of boot loader files worked
3) Using the Disk Management utility, remove the small System Reserved partition. Reboot to confirm this was OK
4) Using the Disk Management utility, shrink the Win7 "C" partition to make some room; reboot afterward to confirm this was OK.
5) Add a new Extended partition into the unallocated space, and create Logical partitions inside that.
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24 May 2011   #7
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Not to go off topic, but is there a reason your friend wants to over-partition the crap out of his drive? Maybe there's a better way to accomplish the end result.
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24 May 2011   #8
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Vincenzo View Post
If I am understanding correctly, are you both suggesting the same solution - to convert the C partition into a logical drive? Then to shrink it, and create a new logical partition in the unallocated space?

Are there any steps to be done to ensure that it stays bootable?

Thanks
This is an absolutely safe way that I have done on several systems on members of my computer club. Since you have the 100MB active partition that contains the bootmgr, there is nothing that can go wrong.

Converting the recovery or tools partition is more risky. I have never tried that but they may not work as logicals.

Ps: but for converting C to logical, you have to use the bootable CD of PW. It will not work with e.g. Disk Management whilst C is operational. Here is the direct link for the CD download (last entry on the page) http://www.partitionwizard.com/download.html Just burn the .iso to a CD.
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24 May 2011   #9
Vincenzo

Windows 7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pbcopter View Post
I would not make the C: partiton logical. I would make one of the non operating system partitions extended and logical.
But then that's just me.
Seems like the only other candidate for this would be the "HP tools" partition. (Probably better not to mess with the Recovery partition that is presently there). But I am wondering if HP Tools would still work if converted to logical. But in reality, I also am considering just deleting the contents of HP Tools and using it for my friend's needs, saving all this trouble. I am wondering how useful the HP Tools are anyway.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post
My own recommendation, having run into a similar problem, would be more along the lines of what you already proposed:
1) Move the Win7 boot loader files into the "C" partition. You can install EasyBCD from NeoSmart Technologies and it has a menu item to do this for you.
2) Reboot to confirm that the migration of boot loader files worked
3) Using the Disk Management utility, remove the small System Reserved partition. Reboot to confirm this was OK
4) Using the Disk Management utility, shrink the Win7 "C" partition to make some room; reboot afterward to confirm this was OK.
5) Add a new Extended partition into the unallocated space, and create Logical partitions inside that.
Would I be able to eliminate the System Reserved Partition using the Windows Startup Repair like I detailed in the first post? If I can avoid 3rd party software I'd rather do that.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DeaconFrost View Post
Not to go off topic, but is there a reason your friend wants to over-partition the crap out of his drive? Maybe there's a better way to accomplish the end result.
I'll check with him and get back to you.

Thanks
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24 May 2011   #10
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote:
But I am wondering if HP Tools would still work if converted to logical
You could try that and see what happens. You can always change it back. I do not have such a partition because all my Windows7 are either new installs from an installation disk or other OEMs that do not have such a partition.

If you experiment with the tools partition, let us know what happens. Would be interesting for future cases.
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