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30 Jul 2011   #11
johnfull

W7 64
 
 

You are right to defend your turf.
Do you claim that MSE can replace Avast?
I have run scans with various programs over the years and one will pick up
things that others have missed. This, too, is common wisdom.
I don't recall MSE being marketed as a replacement or a do-all program.
Avast, at the level I use it, is a free program, designed to help keep the
internet safe for everyone -- kind of a socialist perspective.
I prefer their outlook to Microsoft's fortress mentality unless they are less
effective than you, for whatever reason.
Do you make a claim to superiority?
Windows 7 was a great program until it had to be repeatedly modified...


Answered before the second reply came in. This is more of a chat session...


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30 Jul 2011   #12
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

I will tell you my opinion, and that is just what it is, opinion. There is no program paid or free program that can catch everything and anything. If you look at the results from some of the AV testing companies, you will find that the 'best' AV program usually catches 70-75% of the viruses thrown at it. I have no issue with Avast, and it is probably a good program. MSE has never claimed to be a do everything program. It was designed as a free program for people who would not buy an AV program and would therefore have no protection. Yet, I find it to work well and to be light and does not use a lot of system resources. I also use Malwarebytes free edition and do complete scans twice a week. But, to answer your main question, there is no AV program that will catch everything, I don't care how much you pay for it. So, I look for a decent program with real time protection that uses few OS recourses and gets decent results. I supplement that with Malwarebytes by running scans frequently. The most important thing you can do is pay attention to the type of sites you visit and what you download and from where. To me, that is as important as the AV program you use. I can't answer whether MSE is better than Avast. I can only recomend that you pick one or the other and use it with malwarebytes. Personally, The reason I chose MSE is because they designed Windows 7 and therefore should know better than anyone where the weaknesses are. That is the most honest and straight forward answer I know to give.
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30 Jul 2011   #13
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

Also, as for your statement about windows 7 having to be modified. There is no perfect operating system. My first computer was a Commodore64. I have used just about every OS that has come out since with the exception of ME and Vista. You mentioned XP. XP was a good OS and I liked it, but do you remember there was XP, then XP SP1, Then XP SP2, Then XP SP3? Same with Vista and every other OS. With each OS they find issues and vulnarabilities that need fixing and do patches, major patches are Service packs. Windows 7 has gone longer without a service pack than any other OS Microsoft has put out. And yes, sometimes SP's cause issues. But, think of all the hardware configurations out there and all the software configurations out there. There really is no way to design a patch that will work well with all combinations they affect. It's just part of the game and no way to avoid it. But, I can honestly say that Windows 7 is the best and easiest OS I have ever used.
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30 Jul 2011   #14
johnfull

W7 64
 
 

I wholeheartedly agree.
I evangelize W7 to everybody who would listen.
I used XP until W7 came out and I had a go at it on someone else's machine first.
I changed out my friend's Vista system as soon as an upgrade became available.
I love W7 and that's why I hate to see it getting all botched up with all this.
I won't get into the fireman/pyromaniac aspects of cyber bullying and policing.
I just never heard anyone say that Avast and MSE are incompatible before.
Since none catch more than 70%, a couple should be able to work together.
I am careful about sites, too, but there is more and more engineered attacks that
are very tricky. What is the origin of evil? Is there a patch for that? Thanks.
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30 Jul 2011   #15
Anak

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 Home Premium 64bit Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601 - SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnfull View Post
Yes, I carelessly read your reply and the other one and made a hasty re-reply.
Vorlon's suggestions contain many nuggets -- I'll have to sort through and find
something that works. Do you know if the Windows 7 installation disc can be used
to access restore functions?
According to this, yes: What are the system recovery options in Windows 7? Microsoft
This is the in-forum tutorial: System Recovery Options
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnfull View Post
I upgraded Vista to W7 about 6 months ago.
This is a clumsy way to dialog, with two different forums and two different methods
of access. I did NOT see Vorlon's reply because that forum sent no notification.
I appreciate your bringing it to my attention...
Your welcome. Not really that clumsy, I personally would work with both until my situation was resolved.
Out of courtesy both forums deserve closure.
Quote:
Great discoveries and improvements invariably involve the cooperation of many minds. I may be given credit for having blazed the trail, but when I look at the subsequent developments I feel the credit is due to others rather than to myself.

Alexander Graham Bell; (Born: March 3, 1847 Died: August 2, 1922)
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnfull View Post
Do you think that MSE can completely replace Avast?
I defer to essenbe's reply above.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnfull View Post
I have been under the impression that different programs are synergistic.
Are you referring to MSE and Avast? They should work okay together. But, if they both have real-time protection you have to shut one or the others real-time protection off!

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I use MalwareBytes to scan regularly, too, but it has no real-time function...
Again, I defer to essenbe here

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnfull View Post
Since none catch more than 70%, a couple should be able to work together.
They can, but you have to watch their settings. I have four different AV-AMs
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnfull View Post
I am careful about sites, too, but there is more and more engineered attacks that
are very tricky. What is the origin of evil? Is there a patch for that? Thanks.
What is the origin of evil?
The origin is when good people do nothing to stand up against it.

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30 Jul 2011   #16
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

I cannot honestly tell you that MSE and Avast are incompatible. I've never run them together so I don't know. But I do know that 2 AV programs trying to do the same thing at the same time is asking for issues. And again, I will make no claims of which is superior because i don't know. I told you why I picked MSE and to me, that is common sense. If anyone knows where the vulnarabilities of an OS are, it should be the ones who designed it. As for cyber bullying, that does not go on here. The members here do have disagreements but at the same time are usually respectful to each other. I like that. There's usually more than one way to deal with an issue and you get to see several.
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30 Jul 2011   #17
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

Anak, we were both posting at the same time. I like yours better. Good job.
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30 Jul 2011   #18
essenbe

Windows 10 Pro/ Windows 10 Pro Insider
 
 

In Malwarebytes, click on the protection tab and look at the differences between the free and paid versions.
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30 Jul 2011   #19
johnfull

W7 64
 
 

We got the problem solved. Yaay! The F8 menu is key -- no access to the restore
otherwise. An earlier restore did the trick. Apparently, there were two yesterday
and going back just once didn't fix it. Had to go back to Wednesday.
I used TrendMicro for years as well. I had 6 months of its premium service that
expired in May and I reverted to Avast! because it's familiar and updates often
and in plain sight. I knew about MalwareBytes paid program, but have never
thought to use it. Likewise, Norton and Semantec. Those are so intrusive!
I'll dump MSE for now and go back to just Avast! protection. I'm hoping to keep
that 'new' feeling of W7 for as long as possible. On the other two machines that
I maintain, I'll just be going back to ol' reliable Avast! for others' sakes.
Thanks for the help! Nothing worse than having no options to try...
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31 Jul 2011   #20
Anak

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Win 7 Home Premium 64bit Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601 - SP1
 
 

Glad to hear you have your situation sorted out!
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