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Windows 7: Windows 7, not enough.

08 Aug 2011   #11
preiius

Windows 7 Professional 64bit
 
 

I knew I would be called an apple fanboy somewhere! Don't get me wrong, I cannot stand apple and it's fanboys for their elitist views. I truly believe if not for intel/microsoft, there would not be an affordable computer in every home and on every desktop.

I love to try out new software. Launchy, Explorer++, FF/Chrome, Notepad++, FreeFileSync, Cobian, they are just a few I'm using right now.

What I wanted to say was what some called extras, imho, should come with the os. Again, my spanking new i5-2400 w/ 8GB ram is not going to save my previous hour of work if I forgot to save. Does having a package management system stops you from retaining control? Without these, what is win7 but nt w/ better caching ;-)


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08 Aug 2011   #12
Stratos

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 / OS X Snow Leopard 10.6.8
 
 

Mac users on some forums tend to take a lot of anything negative about Windows to heart and really don't appear to understand the impact of those statements. Here's a link to Macrumours.com on a forum I stumbled upon and it seems there's a heated discussion between a user named "munkery" who seems to think Windows and IE9 are the world's worst products whereas a user "Hyper-X" appears to bring into light the reality of the issues.

OS X Lion Raises Bar on Security, But Battery Firmware Vulnerability Surfaces - MacRumors Forums
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08 Aug 2011   #13
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

I've not encountered a virus on a machine I personally owned since xp, so I think all of this is nonsense personally.
That's just me though I use something called commonsense and a handy browser plugin called noscript.
Which is a pain to set up right for your favorite sites, but I did that ages ago and the settings migrate to new installations, or even other computers in the house without problem.

I can't understand how people get viruses so readily, it's always amazed me.

As for hacking, I don't know why every tom, dick, and harry seems to believe that the most skillful hacker in the world has targeted their personal computer.
The entire concept is laughable to me.
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08 Aug 2011   #14
Digerati

Windows 7 Profession 64-bit
 
 

No legitimate anti-malware maker creates malware they can then "discover" and fix to look good. But there are MANY rogue anti-spyware and anti-malware solutions that are anything BUT anti! So choosing a legitimate one is essential.

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Call me paranoid, but I sometimes think that some AV/malware companies write and distribute viruses and malware. I can't remember which one, but several years ago, there was a scare about some major virus, that was thought to be destined to do some major damage, and the very next morning after it was announce, Norton made it own announcement about having a fix for it. If that virus was so bad that the it merited such a scare tactic, I fail to understand how Norton could come up with a fix overnight...unless they designed it in the first place.
There have been instances in the past where installation disks were infected at the factory - perhaps by a disgruntled employee. That threat has pretty much been eliminated by the eliminating disks and using strictly downloaded installation files. Of course that means the user must make sure he is downloading from a legitimate source, and AS ALWAYS, scan the download before opening.

You must remember that many viruses are out in the wild for some time before their existence becomes publicized - giving anti-malware providers time to create a signature/definition for it before it can be used to exploit the vulnerability.

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I find it difficult to believe that all of the thousands of viruses have been created by ego-maniacs, hackers, etc. as we have been lead to believe.
I don't find this hard to believe at all. The anti-malware providers are constantly seeking out vulnerabilities, and they may create code to learn how to exploit those vulnerabilities, but they do not release that code into the wild.
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08 Aug 2011   #15
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
I can't understand how people get viruses so readily, it's always amazed me.
I can, after watching my father-in-law read his e-mail a few years ago. He will click on anything and everything if it is in his e-mail, because "it's definitely meant for him". Windows 7 has helped quite a bit by prompting him before he installs anything, but even the best OS and best AV software will not stop someone who's hell bent on clicking to see how much money he's won, or the next celebrity sex tape, etc.
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08 Aug 2011   #16
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
I've not encountered a virus on a machine I personally owned since xp, so I think all of this is nonsense personally.
I've not had a single virus problem on one of my own PC's for over 8 years. I attribute most of this to the time when I gave up on peer to peer software, stopped downloading music, stopped pirating software of any kind and quit look looking for serial numbers and password generators.

However, I have had to clean many a PC from friends, family and coworkers who just got hit with a drive by download of a "fake AV" application. In fact, i just did one last week for a friend who was searching google for "empty wine barrels" for a craft project she was considering. Another friend at work, got hit with a "fake AV" searching for sunglasses online.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
That's just me though I use something called commonsense and a handy browser plugin called noscript.
Well, in my above examples, I don't think a lack of common sense would have prevented the search for "empty wine barrels" or "sun glasses" from happening.

I will say that in both cases, the users were using Internet Explorer to surf the web. Both of them have AV products installed (she had AVG and he had Trend Micro), and both are savvy enough to have malware bytes installed on their computers. She didn't really know that using IE could be considered by some to be a security risk...and he uses IE because we have a few in house corporate websites which unfortunately only work with IE...so he doesn't usually flip flop back and forth between other browsers all day long..he just uses the one that he has to use for other things.

Personally, I haven't used IE for years. I used to use Firefox for years and years and years. I use spyware blaster on my machines....although not sure if it has really prevented anything, or if I have simply been lucky and not hit anything. I use sandboxie when doing any type of web surfing that might be questionable (like when work bought an iPAD and that wanted me to research how to jailbreak the thing because they needed Flash support).

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
I can't understand how people get viruses so readily, it's always amazed me.
Neither can I, but I have worked on 4 different machines just this year alone that were all torqued up mostly due to drive by downloads and fake AV malware apps. It certainly does happen. And not everybody is searching porn and clicking on warez links either.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maguscreed View Post
As for hacking, I don't know why every tom, dick, and harry seems to believe that the most skillful hacker in the world has targeted their personal computer.
The entire concept is laughable to me.
Well, a drive by fake AV isn't exactly hacking...but once it gets on your computer, it starts asking for money and wants you to buy software to fix these "so called problems" that it discovers. That's not really laughable and makes total sense.

Once those things get on your machine, your machine is almost unusable. Cannot open a command prompt, cannot open the control panel, cannot get into task manager, cannot start malware bytes, cannot get into msconfig. Pretty much cannot get rid of the thing.

These things often take "me" 2-3 hours to identify and figure out how to shut down. Most are engrained enough that safe mode usually doesn't fix it. Typically, it's a matter of finding whatever .exe is running (which is hard when task manager and process manager won't start) and then either deleting it (usually cannot when it's in use) or renaming it (works more often than not).

So, the money grab makes total sense. If the average person is willing to pay $30, or $50 or $75 for the software to make their newly discovered computer issues go away...some might actually pay to get their computer back.
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08 Aug 2011   #17
Digerati

Windows 7 Profession 64-bit
 
 

It always boils down to the weakest link - the human. Though it is paramount to keep our systems patched, updated, scanned and blocked, if the user opens the door and lets the bad guy in, there's not much we can do.

So "practicing safe computing" is not just about keeping our systems buttoned up, we as users must be "security aware" too - which means, don't be click happy.
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13 Aug 2011   #18
Maguscreed

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 x64
 
 

What I think they really need to do is make noscript available for all browsers, and issue it with a set of allowances for commonly visited sites so people that don't know what to allow and what not to allow can use it.
It's the greatest thing I can intentionally navigate to a website I know is loaded with driveby viruses and all I get is a message telling all the nasty stuff noscript is blocking for me. Antivirus never even comes into play.

As I said above though, setting it up initially and using it takes a bit of know how.
It also never hurts to use the spyboy search and destroy immunization.
It does keep the browser from being redirected to thousands of known injection sites and addresses and has no effect at all on normal surfing or performance.
I've actually installed spybot and used the feature then uninstalled spybot (because I like mbam better for scanning) and it leaves the settings in the browser when removed.

It's a step that may be a good idea for those couple of friends of yours that keep hitting bad sites.
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13 Aug 2011   #19
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18.2 MATE, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 
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Websites also need to be designed properly!

There is an excessive amount of useless JS and Flash on most websites now.
When a site needs 100+ scripts running (just so you can attach a file to an email) there is something wrong.
Yahoo mail requires you to activate Flash, before you can attach anything to an email!

The ridiculous number of garbage routines make it easy for bad guys to hide their own malicious ones on the page.
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13 Aug 2011   #20
Digerati

Windows 7 Profession 64-bit
 
 

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What I think they really need to do is make noscript available for all browsers
Scripts can be disabled on most (if not all) browsers - though some users may not like the results. For IE users, AdblockIE works very well.

SimpleAdBlock for IE is also available but the free version only has a 200/day block limit, which I think is ridiculous, and they know I think that too! While 200 may be plenty for most people, there were many days when I hit my limit before the morning had run out.
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