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Windows 7: What don't you like about Windows 7?

06 Feb 2010   #1301
cbleman

XP Media Edition / Vista /Win 7 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
Take Ownership of the file.

You do not want to just take ownership of files at will.
Only when you need to.

You should not be full admin on any PC.
An oversight in XP that is trying to be fixed with Windows.
Allow me to disagree.
MY Machine, MY files, MY Responsibility. If I want to crash the thing, or just sit there and watch it do an infinite loop just because it makes me jolly, and I can; I should be able to do it. Who appointed an overlord to deny file rights (ANY file rights!) to an Administrator, or make it a pain to work with MY files. Security? Bull Hockey! Less BS, More ease of use, and production. I should be able to set MY system up to work for me. NOT me jump through hoops for the system.
Deny full admin rights? QUIT MAKING THINGS HARDER!
grrrrrrr
Go ahead! Include the BS (Agreed: Not BS for everyone.) , Even set it up as default. I, as an Administrator, should not only be able to turn it ALL off; It should be easy to do it. Being an Administrator means you take responsibility for your actions. You cant just say you're an Administrator, and then say, "Oops.. Just kidding!" It doesn't work like that.


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06 Feb 2010   #1302
Tepid

Win 7 Ultimate 32bit
 
 

I stand by my statement.

You should learn how to use your PC without being full admin.

If you want full admin rights, go ahead, it can be done. And it's your responsibility.

But don't start crying when things go haywire and pissing and moaning about how windows security sucks.

Live with it.

Why do you think viruses and malware/spyware have such a field day on windows?
Cause people don't know how to run as a pure standard user and elevate admin rights only when needed.

Quite honestly, In 7, you are neither a pure standard user nor a full admin. Kinda in between, more like a power user, with admin elevation controls.
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07 Feb 2010   #1303
cbleman

XP Media Edition / Vista /Win 7 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
I stand by my statement.

You should learn how to use your PC without being full admin.

If you want full admin rights, go ahead, it can be done. And it's your responsibility.

But don't start crying when things go haywire and pissing and moaning about how windows security sucks.

Live with it.

Why do you think viruses and malware/spyware have such a field day on windows?
Cause people don't know how to run as a pure standard user and elevate admin rights only when needed.

Quite honestly, In 7, you are neither a pure standard user nor a full admin. Kinda in between, more like a power user, with admin elevation controls.
That was one of the points. If your going to take full admin rights, you can't blame anyone else for what happens.

The how to enable the admin account has been covered elsewhere. From what I have read, even after you enable an admin account and log in, some are still reporting trouble accessing files, and all the "Nags" don't completely go away. The debate is still hot about this. Especially what windows perceives as system files. I will admit that I don't have the time to play with this to verify the troubles. It does bother me that someone with Admin rights reports that they still cannot access certain files.

Like you, many feel that full admin rights are unnecessary, and a security liability. Hence MS has made it impossible to strip everything away just by logging in as an administrator. Their point is (I have heard), If you are really an administrator, you can do the research to find out how to do the rest. I can see their point, but personally think that it should be easy to tweak the system, and not require registry hacks to do it.

As an aside, I had a conversation with someone who asked me what kind of a responsible Administrator would WANT to strip the security away like that.
I am the only person on my home network. I am coming straight from XP, never had a security problem, and didn't have to put up with what I feel is "Unnecessary crud". To me, it's like walking across the room, and needing to ask permission to take each step. It's annoying. I have 3 computers, and 2 devices networked, and feel my WEP key, and firewalls are sufficient to keep most people out. If someone knows enough to hack my router, and break in, or break through my firewall, I don't think homegroup, or a nag is going to stop them. If someone who wants to write a Trojan really knows the OS.....

Taking ownership of each individual folder is a pain. I don't know if they fixed this one or not. Have you tried to take ownership of a folder with a bunch of nested subdirectories? I doesn't always work as advertised. Rather than going through the "PAIN" of taking ownership of each file or folder, it's easier (Easy is the key here.) to just get full admin rights and go. Sometimes the extra time/effort/trouble you have to go through to get the job done isn't worth the extra security. Especially when XP didn't have these "Steps" and seems to work fine. Easy/Fast - Good; Complicated/Laborious - Bad. I'm not saying get rid of the extra security. For some it's a godsend. For those who are willing/wanting to take a risk at their own responsibility however, easy would be nice. I'll do the research, and after a long while, I hope to tweak Win 7 out the way I want it to work. Not the way someone else thinks I need it to work.

There are a lot of things I like about Windows 7, although the negative theme of this thread might make it seem otherwise. There are also a lot of things I don't like (Some to the extreme). Because of this, my XP machine is not going anywhere. I don't feel MS will ever address some issues, no mater how many people complain or ask for lost functions back. In spite of that, Win 7 stays, and I'll just keep moaning
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07 Feb 2010   #1304
3va

windows 7
 
 

Haha i have to say i was using windows xp for to long when i got windows 7 it was so different to use...i think i need to explore windows a bit more...can't even seem to change the size of my desktop picture when i click 'center' or 'stretch' nothing happens and i have to figure how to burn a cd and dvd...
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07 Feb 2010   #1305
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 3va View Post
Haha i have to say i was using windows xp for to long when i got windows 7 it was so different to use...i think i need to explore windows a bit more...can't even seem to change the size of my desktop picture when i click 'center' or 'stretch' nothing happens and i have to figure how to burn a cd and dvd...
Is the cd/dvd data or something else? As for the wallpaper, does it match your screen's resolution?
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07 Feb 2010   #1306
DarkPhoenix

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sbrads View Post
So this doesn't work?

Right click on file > Properties > Security >
In 'Group or user names' mini window left click on 'Administrators (YourPCname\Administrators)' to highlight it.
In 'Permissions for Administrators' mini window, click on 'Full control' tickbox.
Apply and OK.

Now try your copying the file to USB.
Nope.. I tried that..does not work... access denied.. I tried from the Hidden Administrator mode.. Access Denied.. in the end.. I put in a hard drive with Windows XP and it solved the problem. Thank God for XP, The Best Operating System Microsift ever made. I feel really bad for folks who don't have acess to a copy of XP to help them solve problems like this.
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07 Feb 2010   #1307
BunBun

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I have to say that the lack of permissions the admin has be default on the machine is sad to say the least. The fact that I have to take ownership of any of my drive on a non domain computer in order to do anything is just plain sad. I understand that it is in the name of security but seriously people this is getting out of hand.

I never installed a 24/7 anti-virus/adware/malware scanner on my vista machine. All I had was my router and good surfing practises. Once in awile I would grab a random spyware or malware scanner and laugh at all they detected was tracking cookies and the fact I have security center disabled. I have run like this for 2 years without any issues. Also good backups... always keep good backups.

That said I still run nod 32 on my parents computer and on my laptop as it is not always inside my network.

But Every SP that comes out I am having more and more tweaking to do to ensure that I am still the "owner" of my computer. I can't help but feel like someone is trying to take over my life. At least my life as it is on the computer.
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07 Feb 2010   #1308
KremmenUK

MSDN Home Premium
 
 

What don't I like about Windows 7............

At the moment I have 2 issues:

1) All the desktop folders work in unison - change 1 and they all change (navigation pane for example, remove from one and they all lose it).

2) Games that render the wrong colours unless you disable Explorer when launching the game.
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07 Feb 2010   #1309
3va

windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 3va View Post
Haha i have to say i was using windows xp for to long when i got windows 7 it was so different to use...i think i need to explore windows a bit more...can't even seem to change the size of my desktop picture when i click 'center' or 'stretch' nothing happens and i have to figure how to burn a cd and dvd...
Is the cd/dvd data or something else? As for the wallpaper, does it match your screen's resolution?
Just burning normal mp3 songs on a cd and stuff...It hard to find large wallpapers cos my computer is pretty big, i cant seem to change the size of the desktop picture when i click 'tile' 'center' etc it doesn't change
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07 Feb 2010   #1310
paliometoxo

Microsoft windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

lol buying books to learn a os?;p
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