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Windows 7: What don't you like about Windows 7?

24 Nov 2009   #931
shaX 07

Windows 7 Professional
 
 

The fact that I can't install the nVidia driver for my video card without the PC freezing every 2 minutes. I have to operate with no video driver at all...


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24 Nov 2009   #932
mushroomboy

Windows 7, Linux
 
 

I can think of many negative problems with Windows 7. First off it supports DRM....

-DRM
-64bit won't load unsigned drivers
-it only supports NTFS/FAT, You would think Windows would allow support for other file systems EVENTUALLY!!! The fact that you HAVE to use the windows file system is a pos.
-The layout of the Control Panel, I don't like the migration to the new system.
-The Network and Sharing Center angers me every time I have to use it. It really isn't WinXP/Linux friendly as far as file sharing goes.
-In 64bit they didn't include a 16bit emulation? I mean really, is it that hard to include? You could have made it a package on the installer and just made the default to not install it.
-The compatibility with a lot of 32bit programs that access LPC ports ect... If you have modchips or do heavy modding for other hardware WinXP is much more friendly.
-Areo effects are only for the areo theme. Why can't we have an areo classic theme?
-Another major problem is the idea of selling Home Editions. I'm sorry but Linux and MAC don't have "home" editions, or crippled operating systems.
-The non-existent support for EMU10k1 sound, though that's Creative's choice. But MS could have picked up the support on it's own and made MS drivers that at least give you 2.0 sound!? I mean really, WTF!!!
-Driver support sucks bawlz, but it IS a new OS, well kind of.... They should have better support since it is built similar to Vista.

Honestly I hate windows, every working part. But if I want to play some of the DX10 games with DX10 gfx I need windows Vista/7 so I'm stuck with it. I'd use linux for those if I could, but it just angers me. There is so much wrong with Windows, especially the newer versions, that I can't even begin to make a list.

Oh and one more, DRM!
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24 Nov 2009   #933
logicearth

Windows 10 Pro (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mushroomboy View Post
First off it supports DRM....

-DRM
DRM is a non issue. Only media that is DRMed in the first place will make use of it. Otherwise it is not in effect. Every DVD player sitting under your TV requires to implement DRM.

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-64bit won't load unsigned drivers
Nor should it load unsigned drivers.

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-it only supports NTFS/FAT, You would think Windows would allow support for other file systems EVENTUALLY!!! The fact that you HAVE to use the windows file system is a pos.
What makes NTFS a "pso"?


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-In 64bit they didn't include a 16bit emulation? I mean really, is it that hard to include? You could have made it a package on the installer and just made the default to not install it.
64bit processors running in 64bit mode cannot handle 16bit processes. And not to mention 16bit is hella old, those who still need it are a minority among minorities.

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-Areo effects are only for the areo theme. Why can't we have an areo classic theme?
Because the Aero effects use the graphics card just like Aero itself. The Classic theme turns off that hardware acceleration. You should leave Aero on really.


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-Another major problem is the idea of selling Home Editions. I'm sorry but Linux and MAC don't have "home" editions, or crippled operating systems.
The also do not have as big of a market as Windows does. One edition is not enough.

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-The non-existent support for EMU10k1 sound, though that's Creative's choice. But MS could have picked up the support on it's own and made MS drivers that at least give you 2.0 sound!? I mean really, WTF!!!
Microsoft never makes drivers for third-party manufactures, it is not Microsoft's job or responsibility. Talk to Creative it is there problem.
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24 Nov 2009   #934
HPF

Windows 7
 
 

a) Account created during installation is labeled "Administrator". Took me a good hour to find out it didn't actually have administrator rights.

b) After installation main display is the right monitor. Windows 7 will let me change main display to be the left monitor, but the mouse still behaves as if I the display is on the right. That is, when I move mouse to the right the pointer will leave the right side of the right monitor and enter the left side of the left monitor.
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24 Nov 2009   #935
Kari

 

HPF, you can "drag and drop" your displays in Screen Resolution windowd to any order you want.

My normal display order:

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After moving the middle display to left by dragging it to new position:

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Kari


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24 Nov 2009   #936
mushroomboy

Windows 7, Linux
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by logicearth View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mushroomboy View Post
First off it supports DRM....

-DRM
DRM is a non issue. Only media that is DRMed in the first place will make use of it. Otherwise it is not in effect. Every DVD player sitting under your TV requires to implement DRM.

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-64bit won't load unsigned drivers
Nor should it load unsigned drivers.

What makes NTFS a "pso"?


64bit processors running in 64bit mode cannot handle 16bit processes. And not to mention 16bit is hella old, those who still need it are a minority among minorities.

Because the Aero effects use the graphics card just like Aero itself. The Classic theme turns off that hardware acceleration. You should leave Aero on really.


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-Another major problem is the idea of selling Home Editions. I'm sorry but Linux and MAC don't have "home" editions, or crippled operating systems.
The also do not have as big of a market as Windows does. One edition is not enough.

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-The non-existent support for EMU10k1 sound, though that's Creative's choice. But MS could have picked up the support on it's own and made MS drivers that at least give you 2.0 sound!? I mean really, WTF!!!
Microsoft never makes drivers for third-party manufactures, it is not Microsoft's job or responsibility. Talk to Creative it is there problem.
first off the DRM thing was a JOKE, as I had said it 3 times?

Seccond unsigned drivers is a GOOD thing for a lot of programs. They have a lot of hardware monitoring programs ect... that use unsigned drivers. RiviaTuner? Some of use really like programs like that, I don't know if RiviaTuner works now (as I OC with bios mods now).

Technically it can support 16bit, infact I'll bet if I get an emulator and run zelliard it'll work. Oh wait I HAVE dumbass. Really 32bit support is just an API turning the 32bit calls into 64bit calls, why can't they do the same for 16? Because it's what we call market control.

As for the EMU10Kx support? Then why the **** do they have basic driver support for video cards!?!?!? Oh I know video is important, but they could just say **** off and make us supply a CD from the manufacturer during installation like they used to with chipset drivers. Oh do you remember those days? When you couldn't see your hdd because you didn't have the right floppy inserted? Really if your going to take on the idea of supporting everything then DO SO.

And your "not making 3rd party drivers" thing is bull****. Audigy/X-FI cards have MS drivers. As do Nvidia and ATI. Infact MS has AMD drivers!?!?! OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG, oh wait OMFG. it's easier for them to make a generic driver then to pay ATI/NVIDIA/AMD money to use the driver code they make. SO WHY DIDN'T THEY DO IT FOR CREATIVE SOUND BLASTER!?!?!?!

Oh and as you know, DVD players don't require DRM. Infact no media playing device require DRM. They need software to decrypt DRM files, but they in themselves don't have DRM security. DVD players require CSS decryption as well as a VOB codec and another codec for the menus. Though you can put ALL media in linux and read everything without ANY of that..... Which means? What does that mean now? That means windows locks DVD files (yes it's true) so that programs require a key to unlock the drive. How would I know that? I used to be in the pirating scene for a long time, until those ****ty torrents came around. Windows locks certain things so you cannot copy it, which is DRM in effect at the OS level. The media itself CAN NOT lock the drive. Yes you can argue that the discs are printed with DRM code that locks it, but if Windows didn't know what that code ment it would be ignored and the DVD would be unlocked and ran with just CSS/VOB codecs. THATS what I'm talking about.

Yes I'm an asshole, Yes I'm mean. Yes I have annoying responses.
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24 Nov 2009   #937
antt

Windows 7 build 7100 x86
 
 

lol mushroomboy I like how you said: Linux and MAC don't have "home" editions, or crippled operating systems.
How many different distros are there of linux? And that you mention that you hold onto your 'crippled operating system' to play dx10 games, when you would rather move to your superior linux distro which cannot.
Not bashing linux, I love it, but saying that Windows 7 is a crippled operating system when it isn't bugs me.
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24 Nov 2009   #938
mushroomboy

Windows 7, Linux
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by antt View Post
lol mushroomboy I like how you said: Linux and MAC don't have "home" editions, or crippled operating systems.
How many different distros are there of linux? And that you mention that you hold onto your 'crippled operating system' to play dx10 games, when you would rather move to your superior linux distro which cannot.
Not bashing linux, I love it, but saying that Windows 7 is a crippled operating system when it isn't bugs me.

No but they remove admin programs and some other functions that seem like it would be something you should have. Linux isn't crippled because it doesn't have DX10, that's because DX10 is closed sourced. The crazy reality is that linux could have DX10 (and full DX9 instead of the partial it has) if MS released DX10 source.

As for it being crippled? If you want XP mode you have to get Professional, if you want Media Center you need at least Home Premium.... Now what if I don't want fast user switching but I want Media Center!? Oh wait, I have to pay an extra 100 for ****ing Media Center!? That's the bull**** of corporate policies. It's the bull**** of marketing. It's also why MS makes dumb versions of the same OS, just so they can make more money because people will think "oh I won't need that" but really it's nice to have.

Bitlock encription? I have to buy enterprise!? WTF is this ****, just release an OS that either has it all, or doesn't. I'd be happier if they released a standard release that is even more crippled and made you pay for every extra option. At least then we aren't dealing with paying 300 out our ass for something we might need.... or just getting 1 extra option for an extra 100. It's like saying "oh yeah you can eat the fruit, but if you want to peel it you pay double the price.". Devils I say.

[edit] and when I say linux I refer to LFS, though I use Debian. In reality EVERY flavor of linux can run any software that is made for linux. GPL and Open Source is just that amazing!!!
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24 Nov 2009   #939
HPF

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kari View Post
HPF, you can "drag and drop" your displays in Screen Resolution windowd to any order you want.
Yes I can and that works for the mouse also. Didn't know that.
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24 Nov 2009   #940
logicearth

Windows 10 Pro (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mushroomboy View Post
Technically it can support 16bit, infact I'll bet if I get an emulator and run zelliard it'll work. Oh wait I HAVE dumbass. Really 32bit support is just an API turning the 32bit calls into 64bit calls, why can't they do the same for 16? Because it's what we call market control.
Emulation is the keyword here, this would be in the same area of virtual machines. To run a 16bit DOS application requires the x86-64 processor to reset modes. However it cannot do this without a hard reset. When running a 64bit OS the processor is switched to "Long mode" but to run a 16bit DOS application requires "Virtual 8086 mode" and "Protected Mode" neither of which are available when running in "Long mode". When running 32bit code on a x64 processor, it is switched to "Compatibility mode" which is a subset of "Long mode." It is more then just "API turning."

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As for the EMU10Kx support? Then why the **** do they have basic driver support for video cards!?!?!?
Video cards support the oldest VGA standard which is a standard and all cards have a basic support for it. That makes it possible to create a generic driver. Sound cards on the other hand have been wide and varied. There are standards for sounds but hardly are used by manufactures. Unless your card uses one of the standards for sound, a generic driver will not be possible.
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