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Windows 7: What don't you like about Windows 7?

25 Nov 2009   #941
mushroomboy

Windows 7, Linux
 
 

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Technically it can support 16bit, infact I'll bet if I get an emulator and run zelliard it'll work. Oh wait I HAVE dumbass. Really 32bit support is just an API turning the 32bit calls into 64bit calls, why can't they do the same for 16? Because it's what we call market control.
Emulation is the keyword here, this would be in the same area of virtual machines. To run a 16bit DOS application requires the x86-64 processor to reset modes. However it cannot do this without a hard reset. When running a 64bit OS the processor is switched to "Long mode" but to run a 16bit DOS application requires "Virtual 8086 mode" and "Protected Mode" neither of which are available when running in "Long mode". When running 32bit code on a x64 processor, it is switched to "Compatibility mode" which is a subset of "Long mode." It is more then just "API turning."

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As for the EMU10Kx support? Then why the **** do they have basic driver support for video cards!?!?!?
Video cards support the oldest VGA standard which is a standard and all cards have a basic support for it. That makes it possible to create a generic driver. Sound cards on the other hand have been wide and varied. There are standards for sounds but hardly are used by manufactures. Unless your card uses one of the standards for sound, a generic driver will not be possible.
Yes I said emulation, but that's just because they didn't build a 16bit api. I know this is a 64bit standard all around, as every OS is ruling out 32bit support (even linux is pushing things towards 64bit) I'm just saying it's a problem and they could do it. I never did really need 16 bit, it's just nice to have those old games run every once in a while when I'm bored and want to play them.

As for the sound drivers.... They have various network drivers that are included, and I know for a fact that the new broadcom wireless N drivers are supported.

It just pisses me off that they will ship drivers for various companies, but Audio drivers have so much work to be done. It's not just the emu10k1 though, X-FI people should be bitching too. As Win7 support for MANY of those cards is out the window! If I had Win7 and bought an audio card and the drivers don't work I'd be ****in pissed. If you don't have internet....get a X-Fi... only to find out that you need to download drivers for it because Win7 doesn't come with working ones? ****, they came with working Broadcom 802.11N drivers!?!? So I can steal internet to download drivers for my audio, but I can't just have working audio!?

That's where I'm going, they have had bull**** support for Creative for years. Yet every onboard audio I've used works out of the box with Windows since Vista. =( It's a problem, so I want working emu10k1 drivers. 5.1 shouldn't be "dead". And it's an old enough card, and a very popular one at that. MS should have made sure they had working drivers for it.

[edit] It's just my opinion. You asked why I didn't like Win7, It's not just win7 I don't like..... I don't like windows. =P


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25 Nov 2009   #942
antt

Windows 7 build 7100 x86
 
 

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As for the sound drivers.... They have various network drivers that are included, and I know for a fact that the new broadcom wireless N drivers are supported.

It just pisses me off that they will ship drivers for various companies, but Audio drivers have so much work to be done. It's not just the emu10k1 though, X-FI people should be bitching too. As Win7 support for MANY of those cards is out the window! If I had Win7 and bought an audio card and the drivers don't work I'd be ****in pissed. If you don't have internet....get a X-Fi... only to find out that you need to download drivers for it because Win7 doesn't come with working ones? ****, they came with working Broadcom 802.11N drivers!?!? So I can steal internet to download drivers for my audio, but I can't just have working audio!?

That's where I'm going, they have had bull**** support for Creative for years. Yet every onboard audio I've used works out of the box with Windows since Vista. =( It's a problem, so I want working emu10k1 drivers. 5.1 shouldn't be "dead". And it's an old enough card, and a very popular one at that. MS should have made sure they had working drivers for it.
Compared to the audio stack and wireless support in linux, Microsoft has done a magnificent job catering for most people's hardware. ALSA, Jack or pulseaudio are all horrible to work with, if you can get them working. And wireless card support? I have a brand new usb dongle that not even ndiswrapper will detect. Granted, it has gotten alot better in recent years for the most popular drivers, but it still sucks.
Calling Microsoft out for not providing a driver for you, when it really is Creative who should be making the drivers for inclusion in the OS (and they have had ample time to test with the Beta and RC) isn't right.

Onboard sound companies actually make drivers that work, and give them to MS to put in the OS. Yell at Creative for being lazy and not giving proper drivers to MS, instead of insisting that MS reverse engineers to create drivers to support those cards.
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25 Nov 2009   #943
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

Wouldn't DosBox work for some of those old programs?
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25 Nov 2009   #944
kobayashi maru

Win7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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Thank you. It's too bad the "Take Ownership" option isn't built in. Of course, why is it that I should have to wrest ownership of my computer from MS? That's what really burns me about the OS. Like the politicians the corporations know what's best for us.
Yea, coming from XP this was a real pain in the @$$ for me too. Here's a handy little hack that will add "Take Ownership" to the right-click context menu, thereby saving you from having to delve into properties:

Add "Take Ownership" to Explorer Right-Click Menu in Win 7 or Vista :: the How-To Geek

Oh yea, just thought of another annoyance: the network icon in the system tray had a red X through it even though the network was active. Updated ethernet driver and now it's only an intermittent problem.
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25 Nov 2009   #945
wiredconcepts

Windows 7
 
 
Lack or built in programs

I was a die hard windows user for nearly all my life, grant it that windows 7 has fixed a lot of issues that previous version came with. It still lacks a lot of productivity software built into the OS. I mean if you are going to pay the price for this OS why doesn't Microsoft included some extra stuff that you don't have to install.

I am going to admit that i recently switched to a mac, but i still use my windows 7 machine often. since i have switched to a mac things get done quicker, and i didn't have to buy extra software, mac came with most it pre installed. another thing is that didn't have to configure my mac a bunch just to get it to work. I just pressed on and entered my name and some information and off i was. with windows i have to configure this and this and this and this and this, just to get to the welcome screen and if something goes wrong, omg i may have lost everything, so now i have to start all over.

not dissing windows or anything, but Microsoft can still do much better at configuration and built in programs.

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25 Nov 2009   #946
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wiredconcepts View Post
I was a die hard windows user for nearly all my life, grant it that windows 7 has fixed a lot of issues that previous version came with. It still lacks a lot of productivity software built into the OS. I mean if you are going to pay the price for this OS why doesn't Microsoft included some extra stuff that you don't have to install.

I am going to admit that i recently switched to a mac, but i still use my windows 7 machine often. since i have switched to a mac things get done quicker, and i didn't have to buy extra software, mac came with most it pre installed. another thing is that didn't have to configure my mac a bunch just to get it to work. I just pressed on and entered my name and some information and off i was. with windows i have to configure this and this and this and this and this, just to get to the welcome screen and if something goes wrong, omg i may have lost everything, so now i have to start all over.

not dissing windows or anything, but Microsoft can still do much better at configuration and built in programs.
No configuration? What are you paying for? To click and click and click and click mindlessly?
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25 Nov 2009   #947
antt

Windows 7 build 7100 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wiredconcepts View Post
I was a die hard windows user for nearly all my life, grant it that windows 7 has fixed a lot of issues that previous version came with. It still lacks a lot of productivity software built into the OS. I mean if you are going to pay the price for this OS why doesn't Microsoft included some extra stuff that you don't have to install.
Alot of the exclusions have to do with anti-trust concerns and fear of litigation. By not bundling the software with windows, microsoft avoids any possible anti-trust cases. OSX can bundle the software because it is not a monopoly like windows is.
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25 Nov 2009   #948
AntiSilence

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
 
 

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Wouldn't DosBox work for some of those old programs?
I've got my original Windows 3.1 disks he can have if he likes... That's 16-bit lol

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25 Nov 2009   #949
mushroomboy

Windows 7, Linux
 
 

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As for the sound drivers.... They have various network drivers that are included, and I know for a fact that the new broadcom wireless N drivers are supported.

It just pisses me off that they will ship drivers for various companies, but Audio drivers have so much work to be done. It's not just the emu10k1 though, X-FI people should be bitching too. As Win7 support for MANY of those cards is out the window! If I had Win7 and bought an audio card and the drivers don't work I'd be ****in pissed. If you don't have internet....get a X-Fi... only to find out that you need to download drivers for it because Win7 doesn't come with working ones? ****, they came with working Broadcom 802.11N drivers!?!? So I can steal internet to download drivers for my audio, but I can't just have working audio!?

That's where I'm going, they have had bull**** support for Creative for years. Yet every onboard audio I've used works out of the box with Windows since Vista. =( It's a problem, so I want working emu10k1 drivers. 5.1 shouldn't be "dead". And it's an old enough card, and a very popular one at that. MS should have made sure they had working drivers for it.
Compared to the audio stack and wireless support in linux, Microsoft has done a magnificent job catering for most people's hardware. ALSA, Jack or pulseaudio are all horrible to work with, if you can get them working. And wireless card support? I have a brand new usb dongle that not even ndiswrapper will detect. Granted, it has gotten alot better in recent years for the most popular drivers, but it still sucks.
Calling Microsoft out for not providing a driver for you, when it really is Creative who should be making the drivers for inclusion in the OS (and they have had ample time to test with the Beta and RC) isn't right.

Onboard sound companies actually make drivers that work, and give them to MS to put in the OS. Yell at Creative for being lazy and not giving proper drivers to MS, instead of insisting that MS reverse engineers to create drivers to support those cards.
Actually ALSA is very good for how new it is. OSSv4 supports almost all audio software, you get the OSS support with mixing support! Yeah I've followed the linux audio for years. ALSA is very good, pulseaudio IS NOT A SOUND INTERFACE!!!! NOT A SOUND INTERFACE!!! Let me repeat that? PUSEAUDIO IS NOT A SOUND INTERFACE!!!! It is a mixing layer like amixer or dmixer (the original for OSS I think?). It was created to manage the different sound streams from various programs and talk to ALSA so that ALSA only manages one audio stream. The problem is ALSA has it's own mixing software for that, so your outputting a mixer to a mixer.... WTF!? I have been using Linux since before Debian, when it Mandrake was just starting out. I remember the original audio problems, when OSS was fased out and ALSA came in. ALSA has done a magnificient job, and continues to do so. Most of the sound problems in linux are because of people using pulseaudio. Why? Because your mixing a mixer, and that's just retarded and redundant. pulseaudio will lock alsa so that amixer (alsa's mixer) can't use it. so basically if you have a program that will only output to alsa and one that outputs to pulse the one that outputs to alsa can't because pulse locks alsa. by locking i mean it won't allow other programs to access the alsa interface.

As for network support, you always have ndiswrapper. Linux has done very well in loading windows drivers, though you don't get the full support as you would in windows, you still get wireless. Don't blame linux for not having drivers when manufacturers won't supply code, or release specs so that people can program opensource drivers. Linux as an idea is the best thing we've seen for a long long time. Networking in linux has come a long way, and a LOT of laptops work with Ubuntu/Debian based installs very very well. Even a lot of new laptops. The only thing that I know won't work well so far is N adapters, which might even have support now (broadcom is very good for us linux users).

Just because linux has more configurations and is a little more specific on how you set it up doesn't mean things aren't supported. Just read my sig, sometimes you have to work outside the box, and linux forces you to do so. It's not my fault that philosophy isn't in the majority of people. People just want things to work, well maybe they should start learning how things work instead of asking stupid questions. That's why I like linux, it makes you think.
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25 Nov 2009   #950
pillainp

Windows 8.1 Professional 64-Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mushroomboy View Post
Don't blame linux for not having drivers when manufacturers won't supply code, or release specs so that people can program opensource drivers.
And here you are ranting from that little soapbox about Windows not having drivers for hardware, when it is those same hardware manufacturers that should have provided it in the first place..DID I SAY IT LOUD ENOUGH? WHEN IT IS THOSE SAME HARDWARE MANUFACTURERS THAT SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED THE DRIVERS FOR INCLUSION IN WINDOWS' DATABASE...HALLOOO... CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME UP ON THAT BOX THERE..

But I suppose that's asking too much of them. After all they've only had what three years to come up with them?

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