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Windows 7: A little help needed going back to XP

18 Dec 2011   #11

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by search53 View Post
The limitation on number of machines is the same, regardless of the version: Only one machine at a time. You CAN delete the OS from one machine and install it on your replacement machine as many times as you wish.
I'm not convinced this is correct.

Investigating the meaning of OEM licenses from MS reveals the following:

(1) These are called OEM Licenses and of course they come with more restrictions since they are the cheapest. An OEM license only allows you to use the software on the specific computer it came with. In other words, when that computer is old and slow and it is time to throw it away, that license must legally be thrown away as well.

(2) Q. What computer component ties the OEM license to the computer?

A. Short answer – the first motherboard the OS was installed on. In the case of your purchase of an OEM license with a new computer, this license is tied to the motherboard of that system. In the case of a purchase of OEM software from a retail seller, this would be the first motherboard you install the software on, *not* the “hardware” that was bundled with your OEM purchase.

Q. Can a PC with OEM Windows XP have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?

A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for the original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer" to which Microsoft® OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.

Q. Can my customers transfer or sell their OEM software licenses?

A. After an OEM software license has been installed on a PC, the license may not be installed on or transferred to another PC. However, the entire PC may be transferred to another end user along with the software license rights. When transferring the PC to the new end user the software media, manuals (if applicable) and certificate of authenticity label must be included. It is also advisable to include the original purchase invoice or receipt. The original end user cannot keep any copies of the software.

The end user license agreement (EULA) is granted to the end user by the System Builder and relates to the license on the PC with which it was originally distributed. Because the System Builder is required to support the license on that original PC, a System Builder can not support a license that has been moved from a PC they manufactured to one that they did not. This is one of the key reasons why an OEM System Builder license can’t be transferred.

Q. My customer bought a new PC and wants to move their OEM software from the old PC to the new one. Can't they do whatever they want with the software?

A. The software is licensed with the computer system on which it was originally installed and is tied to that original machine. OEM licenses are single-use licenses that cannot be installed on more than one computer system even if the original machine is no longer in use. The end user license agreement (EULA) accepted by the customer before they use the software, states that the license may not be shared, transferred to or used concurrently on different computers. The System Builder is required to provide end-user support for the Windows license. A System Builder can not support a license that has been moved from a PC they manufactured to one that they did not — this is a fundamental reason why OEM System Builder licenses can't be transferred."

(3) PRODUCT SUPPORT. Support for the SOFTWARE is not provided by MS, Microsoft Corporation, or their affiliates or subsidiaries. For SOFTWARE support, please refer to Manufacturer's support number provided in the documentation for the HARDWARE. Should you have any questions concerning this EULA, or if you desire to contact Manufacturer for any other reason, please refer to the address provided in the documentation for the HARDWARE.

Basically OEM copies receive no support directly from Microsoft. Rather you must refer to your place of purchase for support *if* they provide such support. Please note that support *generally* comes from smaller OEMS who provide the software bundled with a computer.

(4) "1-2 CPU" labeling.

Some copies of Windows XP have labeling such as "1-2 CPU", this labeling has caused some confusion and misconceptions about what "1-2 CPU" stands for. I direct you to the following excerpt directly copied from the EULA.TXT on any *generic* Windows XP machine:

"Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER. The SOFTWARE may not be used by more than two (2) processors at any one time on the COMPUTER, unless a higher number is indicated on the COA.

The above statement is clear in that the labeling of "1-2 CPU" means the number of processors on a *single* computer and not that you can install the same copy on two different computers.

I think it's clear... use once and discard.

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18 Dec 2011   #12

Win 7 Pro x64

I'll concede this is what the license says (it's been a while since I read it - the only thing that stood out in my mind was the lack of MS support)

However, I've never had any problem re-using OEM disks on my replacement machines.
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18 Dec 2011   #13
Microsoft MVP


I believe the OP says he owns a copy of XP. Is this a retail copy or did it come preinstalled on a computer you bought? If it is retail it can be moved to the new machine as you wish, but I would try to find a SP3 installer to make installation to modern hardware easier.

I shouldn't have mentioned an installer being OEM-specific because if it is OEM XP then it can't move to new hardware anyway. You want a retail XP w/SP3 installer.

If it is retail google "XP [version name] retail SP3" to find an install ISO to download and burn to CD. Make sure you read the listings and comments closely to ascertain that no activation crack or anything else has been added.
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20 Dec 2011   #14

Windows 7

Yes, I do own a previous XP license which is a full retail copy but it won't install on this new machine (because the install disk is too old). I just bought a (supposedly unused) OEM disk and that does install - but I soon hit the SATA problem that gregrocker mentioned. Luckily I found a setting in the BIOS which allows the SATA hardware to run in "IDE Compatability" mode. With that mode selected, I can install XP. BUT....

With IDE Compatability mode selected, I can't boot Windows 7. This means that to switch between the two OS's I keep needing to go into the BIOS and swap that setting, which is a bit inconvenient.

I have a Win7 installation disk (from another computer) which contains the drivers for IDE Compatability mode. Is there a way to install them on this new PC? e.g. swapping to compatability mode, then asking the other PC's install disk to repair this PC's installation?
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20 Dec 2011   #15
Microsoft MVP


I would provide AHCI drivers for XP.
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20 Dec 2011   #16

Windows 7

Thanks. I looked at that article but it relies upon the SATA AHCI Storage Controller hardware being visible in Device Manager (i.e. so you can install drivers for it). Unfortunately, I need to select the IDE Compatibility mode before I can boot XP. But with Compatibility mode enabled, that device doesn't get listed - so I can't see how I can install the drivers.

I think I'll somehow have to install the Compatibility mode drivers for Win7.
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20 Dec 2011   #17
Microsoft MVP


Perhaps you can change Win7 to IDE mode then: Solved Switch AHCI TO IDE (Tutorial HowTo) !!! - Vista Forums
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20 Dec 2011   #18

Windows 7 Pro x64

How new is your new PC?
It may be that your new PC is too new and there may be no XP drivers for it.

XP SP3 can be downloaded here: Download: Windows XP Service Pack 3 - ISO-9660 CD Image File - Microsoft Download Center - Download Details

That said, XP even with SP3 had problems running in AHCI mode, your best option if you must use AHCI mode is to set the BIOs to raid mode whic is the same as AHCI but still supports IDE and XP works well in this mode.
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