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  1. Posts : 8
    Windows 7 Professional 32bit on MacOSX under VMware Fusion
       #31

    oreo27 said:
    Hi,

    From experience with my brother in law's scenario. We were able to run DosBox on a Win 7 Pro x64 perfectly.

    There was no need whatsoever to run a VM on it. DosBox worked perfectly on the 64 bit OS.
    Thanks - my concern isn't for running DOS apps, but for running 16-bit Windows apps on a 64-bit Win OS. I love DOSBox, but it doesn't include Windows drivers.

    Do you have any hints on where to go for a 16-bit Windows emulator to run VB6 and other legacy Win apps on 64-bit Win 7?

    Thanks...
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  2. Posts : 247
    Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
    Thread Starter
       #32

    McGoon said:
    oreo27 said:
    Hi,

    From experience with my brother in law's scenario. We were able to run DosBox on a Win 7 Pro x64 perfectly.

    There was no need whatsoever to run a VM on it. DosBox worked perfectly on the 64 bit OS.
    Thanks - my concern isn't for running DOS apps, but for running 16-bit Windows apps on a 64-bit Win OS. I love DOSBox, but it doesn't include Windows drivers.

    Do you have any hints on where to go for a 16-bit Windows emulator to run VB6 and other legacy Win apps on 64-bit Win 7?

    Thanks...
    I had no trouble running it natively in Windows-7 Professional 64-bit, apart from the rather tiny screen. I was able to run Q-Edit and List.com on it (there are no Windows equivalents of these two indispensible tools - if anyone knows better, I'd love to hear from them).

    I may have another go at getting a bigger window, but as the app seems to be based on 'games' I don't hold out much hope of finding much information outside the legacy 'games' environment.
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  3. Posts : 8
    Windows 7 Professional 32bit on MacOSX under VMware Fusion
       #33

    [QUOTE=Cheemag;1831719][QUOTE=McGoon;1831471]
    oreo27 said:


    I had no trouble running it natively in Windows-7 Professional 64-bit, apart from the rather tiny screen. I was able to run Q-Edit and List.com on it (there are no Windows equivalents of these two indispensible tools - if anyone knows better, I'd love to hear from them).

    I may have another go at getting a bigger window, but as the app seems to be based on 'games' I don't hold out much hope of finding much information outside the legacy 'games' environment.
    DOSBox will run full-screen - just type Alt-Enter to toggle between the small, windowed version and the full-screen one. I run QEdit and SuperCalc with it daily. You may have to tweak your video settings to run full-screen on a widescreen display without crashing the computer, though. Read the readme.txt file in DOSBox's /documentation directory.

    But...DOSBox won't run 16-bit Windows applications - only DOS apps. If anyone has any hints about how to get around 16-bit Windows apps on 64-bit Windows 7, I'm eager to hear about them.

    Again, thanks.
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  4. Posts : 521
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1
       #34

    [QUOTE=McGoon;1832743][QUOTE=Cheemag;1831719]
    McGoon said:

    DOSBox will run full-screen - just type Alt-Enter to toggle between the small, windowed version and the full-screen one. I run QEdit and SuperCalc with it daily. You may have to tweak your video settings to run full-screen on a widescreen display without crashing the computer, though. Read the readme.txt file in DOSBox's /documentation directory.

    But...DOSBox won't run 16-bit Windows applications - only DOS apps. If anyone has any hints about how to get around 16-bit Windows apps on 64-bit Windows 7, I'm eager to hear about them.

    Again, thanks.
    Hi, according to this thread on Microsoft Answers:

    Is Windows 7 able to run 16 bit installers under XP mode? - Microsoft Answers

    You can probably try setting compatibility mode to Windows 95. This is a quick tutorial on how to do this. Let us know if it works.

    Compatibility Mode
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  5. Posts : 247
    Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
    Thread Starter
       #35

    [QUOTE=McGoon;1832743][QUOTE=Cheemag;1831719]
    McGoon said:

    DOSBox will run full-screen - just type Alt-Enter to toggle between the small, windowed version and the full-screen one. I run QEdit and SuperCalc with it daily. You may have to tweak your video settings to run full-screen on a widescreen display without crashing the computer, though. Read the readme.txt file in DOSBox's /documentation directory.
    I didn't know about the full-screen. At the moment I haven't put it back on Win-7 after a reinstall of the latter. But I'll look into it again.

    I've found the ConText editor, which goes some way towards Q-Edit; unfortunately it won't fill a block but it does most other things which Q-Edit does.

    Thanks to all who responded.
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  6. Posts : 8
    Windows 7 Professional 32bit on MacOSX under VMware Fusion
       #36

    [QUOTE=oreo27;1832963][QUOTE=McGoon;1832743]
    Cheemag said:

    Hi, according to this thread on Microsoft Answers:

    Is Windows 7 able to run 16 bit installers under XP mode? - Microsoft Answers

    You can probably try setting compatibility mode to Windows 95. This is a quick tutorial on how to do this. Let us know if it works.

    Compatibility Mode
    Hi. Thanks - we'll try setting compatibility mode to Win95 or 8 and see what happens. Unfortunately the note at the top of the tutorial above reads,

    " Note
    32 bit Windows has emulation for 16 bit programs built in. 64-bit Windows only has emulation for 32 bit programs."

    That's kind of daunting. Let me work on this for a bit and I'll respond when I know more.

    Thanks again.
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  7. Posts : 521
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1
       #37

    [QUOTE=McGoon;1834378][QUOTE=oreo27;1832963]
    McGoon said:

    Hi. Thanks - we'll try setting compatibility mode to Win95 or 8 and see what happens. Unfortunately the note at the top of the tutorial above reads,

    " Note
    32 bit Windows has emulation for 16 bit programs built in. 64-bit Windows only has emulation for 32 bit programs."

    That's kind of daunting. Let me work on this for a bit and I'll respond when I know more.

    Thanks again.
    If that's the case, there's one thing I can think of. I believe XP Mode is a 32 bit version so your application might work on it. No additional license is required if I'm not mistaken.

    Windows XP Mode - Install and Setup
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  8. Posts : 8
    Windows 7 Professional 32bit on MacOSX under VMware Fusion
       #38

    [QUOTE=oreo27;1834531][QUOTE=McGoon;1834378]
    oreo27 said:

    If that's the case, there's one thing I can think of. I believe XP Mode is a 32 bit version so your application might work on it. No additional license is required if I'm not mistaken.

    Windows XP Mode - Install and Setup
    Thanks again. But if I'm not mistaken, XP Mode is all or nothing - either you run 7 as 7 or run it in XP mode, in which case you lose all the memory management advantages of 7.

    Compatibility mode was a bust, too, by the way - it only works in the 32-bit install; not in the 64. But I'll keep looking - there has to be some way to run 16-bit Windows apps once 32-bit hardware's no longer available...

    Thanks one more time!
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  9. Posts : 521
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1
       #39

    [QUOTE=McGoon;1835582][QUOTE=oreo27;1834531]
    McGoon said:

    Thanks again. But if I'm not mistaken, XP Mode is all or nothing - either you run 7 as 7 or run it in XP mode, in which case you lose all the memory management advantages of 7.

    Compatibility mode was a bust, too, by the way - it only works in the 32-bit install; not in the 64. But I'll keep looking - there has to be some way to run 16-bit Windows apps once 32-bit hardware's no longer available...

    Thanks one more time!
    No worries mate. Well yes, but how intensive can 16 bit apps be? :)

    Darn, too bad mate. Well, if you do find a solution, let us know. Might help other users.

    Might be someone else who can shed light onto your predicament :)
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  10. Posts : 8
    Windows 7 Professional 32bit on MacOSX under VMware Fusion
       #40

    [QUOTE=oreo27;1835886][QUOTE=McGoon;1835582]
    oreo27 said:

    No worries mate. Well yes, but how intensive can 16 bit apps be? :)

    Darn, too bad mate. Well, if you do find a solution, let us know. Might help other users.
    Will do. For anyone else trying to preserve 16-bit Windows apps, the WINE project is a shining star. It's fully-functional under Linux, and does a very respectable job of running 16-bit Windows applications. While there's activity in Wine for Windows, however, the good folks on the project stress that it's a long way from fruition. Anyone looking for a programming challenge might want to check it out.

    Thanks again.
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