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Windows 7: S3 "insomnia" with RC1?

19 Aug 2009   #11
The111

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DataMan47 View Post
Not necessarily. Some people know their way around enough that they can find it. Or they are resourceful enough that they can Google (or Bing :P) it. I give people the benefit of the doubt and assume that, when given a hint about how to solve a problem, that they can muster their own resources to see it to the end. If they can't, they can ask for clarification, but I feel it's generally better to not automatically treat people like children who need spoon-feeding.
How?



I'll take some of that spoon feeding please.

Wake on magic packet is enabled.
Wake on pattern match is also enabled.

There are a lot of other settings I don't understand.

Thanks for your help!

EDIT: Nevermind, I think... I now see on the power management tab a "only magic packet" option. That looks like it should work.

I'm a little bit amused that there is a real computer term called "magic packet" though.


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19 Aug 2009   #12
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DataMan47 View Post
Not necessarily. Some people know their way around enough that they can find it. Or they are resourceful enough that they can Google (or Bing :P) it. I give people the benefit of the doubt and assume that, when given a hint about how to solve a problem, that they can muster their own resources to see it to the end. If they can't, they can ask for clarification, but I feel it's generally better to not automatically treat people like children who need spoon-feeding.
DM

I used to be that way as well untill on day I asked someone to go into event viewer (type that in search) three guesses what he typed in search. after 1000 posts you can pretty much tell who is new, a journeyman, or an expert. Thing is I think at some point I chose to make it as Kid proof as possible. If the OP turns out more experienced I can change gears and gear the reply to their level.

Just a difference in approach thats all

Ken
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19 Aug 2009   #13
DataMan47

Windows 7 Pro (MSDN)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by The111 View Post
EDIT: Nevermind, I think... I now see on the power management tab a "only magic packet" option. That looks like it should work.
Yep, that's the option. See, you did just fine without the spoon-feeding.

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I'm a little bit amused that there is a real computer term called "magic packet" though.
Well, what else would you call it? A magic packet is just a special directed packet that repeats the MAC address a certain number of times (I don't recall the number off the top of my head, but you can look it up), with the express purpose of distinguishing it from other packets so that the computer won't wake up on just any sort of directed traffic. I guess you could call it a "special packet" (but that's too vague). Or a "wakeup packet" (but that's too dull :P). Remember, hardcore computer geeks (esp. the Unix crowd) like to have fun. This is why there's a programming language named after Monty Python. Or a shell named Bash (the successor to the Bourne shell, called the Bourne-again shell). Magic packet is an old term, and whoever first coined it probably thought that it sounded zestier than something generic like "wakeup packet".
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19 Aug 2009   #14
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I had a similar problem in Windows Vista on my work laptop. I used hibernate all of the time and all of a sudden, it would just start waking up for no reason. The problem was it would be in my laptop bag, turn on and run for a few hours and would be unbelievably hot.

I spend close to 20 hours trying every which way to get this problem to stop...and nothing worked. I finally ended up ripping out some things in the registry which completely and totally eliminated Windows' ability to wake itself back up from any level of sleep. It seemed a bit overkill, but was seriously the only thing which worked. I made notes of this at work and will post them tomorrow...but hopefully it won't come to having to do something this drastic.
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19 Aug 2009   #15
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DataMan47 View Post
Yep, that's the option. See, you did just fine without the spoon-feeding.


Well, what else would you call it? A magic packet is just a special directed packet that repeats the MAC address a certain number of times (I don't recall the number off the top of my head, but you can look it up), with the express purpose of distinguishing it from other packets so that the computer won't wake up on just any sort of directed traffic. I guess you could call it a "special packet" (but that's too vague). Or a "wakeup packet" (but that's too dull :P). Remember, hardcore computer geeks (esp. the Unix crowd) like to have fun. This is why there's a programming language named after Monty Python. Or a shell named Bash (the successor to the Bourne shell, called the Bourne-again shell). Magic packet is an old term, and whoever first coined it probably thought that it sounded zestier than something generic like "wakeup packet".
I remember Puff the magic Dragon!

Actually that's all I remember.
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19 Aug 2009   #16
DataMan47

Windows 7 Pro (MSDN)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
I had a similar problem in Windows Vista on my work laptop. I used hibernate all of the time and all of a sudden, it would just start waking up for no reason. The problem was it would be in my laptop bag, turn on and run for a few hours and would be unbelievably hot.

I spend close to 20 hours trying every which way to get this problem to stop...and nothing worked. I finally ended up ripping out some things in the registry which completely and totally eliminated Windows' ability to wake itself back up from any level of sleep. It seemed a bit overkill, but was seriously the only thing which worked. I made notes of this at work and will post them tomorrow...but hopefully it won't come to having to do something this drastic.
The other thing to look out for are scheduled tasks. It is possible to schedule a task such that it will wake the system up in order for it to do its thing. So you should check your list of scheduled tasks to make sure that there hasn't been anything added by a third-party program that has the "wake the system up" option checked. Also, there have been reports that for the RC, some scheduled tasks will wake the system up even if the wake-the-system-up box is unchecked for that task (I think this has been fixed for RTM).

Finally, there's an option in the advanced power config settings that will allow you to disable the ability for any event to wake the system up--I always make sure that's set, just to be on the safe side.
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19 Aug 2009   #17
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DataMan47 View Post
The other thing to look out for are scheduled tasks. It is possible to schedule a task such that it will wake the system up in order for it to do its thing. So you should check your list of scheduled tasks to make sure that there hasn't been anything added by a third-party program that has the "wake the system up" option checked. Also, there have been reports that for the RC, some scheduled tasks will wake the system up even if the wake-the-system-up box is unchecked for that task.
Yeah, I checked for scheduled tasks. I checked for wake on lan stuff. I changed all of the power settings. Like I said, I literally spent like 20 hours trying to get to the bottom of the situation. The only solution for me was to flat out disable Windows ability to wake itself for any reason. So, no group policy, or scheduled task or anything else will bring that thing out of sleep now. It's practically unconscious.
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19 Aug 2009   #18
windew420

WINDOWS 7 7600 64BIT RTM
 
 
young techs are to cocky

u cant know every thing.
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19 Aug 2009   #19
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Dataman

I was trying to be conciliatory when I said you know he is going to ask you how. In fact I was even going to comliment you info.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DataMan47 View Post
Not necessarily. Some people know their way around enough that they can find it. Or they are resourceful enough that they can Google (or Bing :P) it. I give people the benefit of the doubt and assume that, when given a hint about how to solve a problem, that they can muster their own resources to see it to the end. If they can't, they can ask for clarification, but I feel it's generally better to not automatically treat people like children who need spoon-feeding.
Me

I used to be that way as well untill on day I asked someone to go into event viewer (type that in search) three guesses what he typed in search. after 1000 posts you can pretty much tell who is new, a journeyman, or an expert. Thing is I think at some point I chose to make it as Kid proof as possible. If the OP turns out more experienced I can change gears and gear the reply to their level.

Just a difference in approach thats all


the other person

I'll take some of that spoon feeding please.

Wake on magic packet is enabled.
Wake on pattern match is also enabled.

There are a lot of other settings I don't understand.

Thanks for your help!

Granted he did you back and edit it after the fact saying he found it.

So It would appear OP was not very experienced.. I believe everyone has the right to voice their opinion but there are better ways to voice an opinion.

Maybe when you have post a few hundred times more you will view it differently and treat others with respect and friendship

Like I said before its a difference in style. Should have been left there

Ken
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20 Aug 2009   #20
The111

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zigzag3143 View Post
Dataman
Maybe when you have post a few hundred times more you will view it differently and treat others with respect and friendship
I (the OP) didn't take any offense (or lack of respect) from anything any of the posters here said to me.

Thanks to everyone for your help on all levels, be it spoon-feeding or just hinting.
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