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Windows 7: 32 bit? that's so last millenium...

18 Jan 2009   #31
Firestrider

Linux (Debian, Android)
 
 

So what exactly does 64-bit entail as far as processing, supporting larger integers? Can you show me an example of an application running with 64-bit optimized code running faster than a 32-bit application?

I think dual-channel memory runs on a 128-bit bus and triple-channel runs on a 192-bit bus, how does this coincide with the processor's bit support?


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18 Jan 2009   #32
echrada

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Mr GRiM View Post
I think you all need to wake up and move with the times, saying why do we need 64bit when 32bit is so great is the same as saying why do we need 32bit when 16bit is so great or 8bit, I mean come people this is evolution and do we really want to hold it back, I don't even want 64bit anymore I want 128bit, 256bit or even 512bit, after all isn't that where our GPU's are at now. Stop holding back on evolution it's the only way to go.
I agree with you 100%. Every walk of life is experiencing evolution, why should we not take advantage of it.

But unfortunately there will always be those who do not embrace change especially in technology, it is either fear or they are true luddites.
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18 Jan 2009   #33
ittech

XP/Vista/Windows 7 builld 7000
 
 

@ echrada

i loved the luddites comment. still, consider, how many of us have satellite radio in our cars? wasn't that the next big thing? that got real old on the first long haul drive.

you are right in respect to it is the way of the future, right now, i dont see any reason to go there because it offers me nothing i cannot already do. for 64 bit to seriously get off the ground, your revolution will have to happen, by software companies forcing the change. Microsoft has tried forcing technological change in the past against consumer demand. that didn't go so well.when new titles that are functional for the general computer users come out exclusively in 64 bit, then we will be dragged kicking and screaming into your future. for commercial enterprise, at least of the size i cater to, the additional infrastructure cost on new build from 32 to 64 bit is a no brainer, but put that into context of a home user where ram prices fluctuate to world crisis, shortages and economics all beyond our control, the unit cost can increase dramatically. you would be surprised just how many home users are cost constrained. at one time it was no biggie cutting a cheque for 2500 to 3000 dollars for a new unit. now when you can custom build for a third to one half that, the increase system memory requirement alone makes a substantial difference in street price. not everyone is an enthusiast. most just want to surf, grab their e mail, and get their picture of their dog on their first web page.

economically we had a hard time with vista, but we recouped that on blowing vista away and installing reliable, stable and relatively faster xp. if you question this, check the market stats for the 400 dollar laptops dumped under christmas trees. their function is bottom of the well, but that didn't matter because they were from an economic point of view cheap, consumers decided that was what they wanted. I'm not looking forward to the first of those crossing my threshold looking for repair because at current rates for one of my techs,it isn't going to happen.
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18 Jan 2009   #34
hethoofd

Windows 7 Build 7100 32-bit, Windows Vista 32-bit
 
 

I'm still running 32-bit. I don't feel like going through the hassle of downloading all my software in 64-bit versions. Sure, I can run my 32-bit software on a 64-bit OS, but that will not give me any advantage.

I'd like to see a benchmark that really shows the performance difference between a 32-bit and 64-bit OS.
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18 Jan 2009   #35
sevsman

Vista X64 ultimate/ 7 X64 Ultimate (7264)
 
 

Well just for every day usage i can notice the difference between x86 and x64 and as far as i'm concerned it's x64 all the way now. And the remark about xp being faster than vista, well that's because people wanted to run a new OS on aged hardware. It's not going to happen is it really.

My specs arn't all that great but i'd never go back to either xp or a 32bit OS ever again...
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19 Jan 2009   #36
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x3, Ubuntu
 
 

Just like to add that a lot of the XP is faster than Vista or Seven or whatever is, in my opinion, caused by the familiarity that users have with an operating system they've grown up with. If you have been using one system for a long time and become accustomed to using it in a certain way then any change that makes you think "now how do I ... " , will seem slower. Once a user spends a little time to familiarise themselves with the new way of doing things the new system "seems" just as fast or even faster.
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19 Jan 2009   #37
ittech

XP/Vista/Windows 7 builld 7000
 
 

@Barman58

That is certainly a valid point. But...and you knew that was coming, shutting down xp as compared to literally begging vista to shut itself down, especially on more than a couple of the best brand name laptops. in a home situation it's annoying, in a commercial environment, five additional minutes lost per employee, some more, some less adds up to lost productivity and that translates to money or other tangible productivity goal. i once worked the education department looking after approximately 2000 computers doing everything from finance to scheduling to student loan records....if we math that out for vista, consultants are fired for less.

nevertheless, i will grant you your point. apprehension of change for end users whom may be lucky to recieve one full day familiarization on an op system is one of our biggest challenges in a business environment. remember, i think the bulk of the people in the forums are at least pc competant, a lot of home end users are not. nor i would put it to you are the majority of business users and the transition from xp to vista was never a happy one for the poor secretary coming in monday morning to a new desktop. reality was, business as a whole and certainly government service with which i am familiar never moved to vista except for specific machines tasked to specific individuals. that was not a judgemental call on the merits of vista per se, but on the ability of IT departments to support users, some times large numbers of users in an unfamiliar desktop environment while still maintaining acceptable productivity levels. from my position, reality is that user training is becoming more difficult to schedule, the expense of it more difficult for business to agree to, and i think you might perhaps agree that vista was less than intuitive despite what MS would have us believe. As a system, i have no argument with vista, but as regards performance, then we have an issue. if windows 7 holds to promise, i see big changes in many of those arguments, and all for the better. large enterprise, those with large numbers of machines (i only did a rollout for xp for a government department three years ago..they are not going to change again without a hard sell, with substantial backup documentation and projections of benefits/costs. i will not disagree with you.
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20 Jan 2009   #38
wierdo124

 
 

Pretty sure any processor post-athlon XP / Pentium 3 was 64 bit.
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20 Jan 2009   #39
PhreePhly

Windows 7 x64 (RTM via MSDN)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wierdo124 View Post
Pretty sure any processor post-athlon XP / Pentium 3 was 64 bit.
Actually as late as 2007, the Yonah (Core Duo and Core Solo) was released and was 32-bit only. There are still quite a few Yonah laptops out there that can run Vista quite well. These will run Win 7 just as well.

Honestly, until developers start releasing 64-bit software, what does it matter? If you have 4 or 8 GB RAM great, but so many laptops with 64-bit processors can only have 2 GB RAM, so why bother. Mainstream software, like Office, are still not offered in 64-bits, and from what I've heard, it will be a few more versions from now, due to assembly modules still used in excel and access.

I'm not sure games are coming out in 64-bit versions, yet, as I'm not much of a gamer, but that is a huge market. When they start moving 64-bit, expect to see a large migration.

PhreePhly
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20 Jan 2009   #40
LuzTeTT

Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by PhreePhly View Post
Actually as late as 2007, the Yonah (Core Duo and Core Solo) was released and was 32-bit only. There are still quite a few Yonah laptops out there that can run Vista quite well. These will run Win 7 just as well.

Honestly, until developers start releasing 64-bit software, what does it matter? If you have 4 or 8 GB RAM great, but so many laptops with 64-bit processors can only have 2 GB RAM, so why bother. Mainstream software, like Office, are still not offered in 64-bits, and from what I've heard, it will be a few more versions from now, due to assembly modules still used in excel and access.

I'm not sure games are coming out in 64-bit versions, yet, as I'm not much of a gamer, but that is a huge market. When they start moving 64-bit, expect to see a large migration.

PhreePhly
Complete list of 64-bit apps - PlanetAMD64
64bit and x64 - Home

Should cover just about everything.
And here's a good read: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=506
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