Can Microsoft Force us to Windows 8

DeaconFrost said:

sgage said:

I was obviously directly responding in kind to your "don't believe the hype" crack, so don't give me the "no one brought that up but you" stuff.

A "crack"? If you think that was just a crack about hype, you've missed a lot of very entertaining threads.

SIW2 said:

There has been an unfortunate tendency for 8 lovers to make ludicrous claims about scared of change , not able to learn, etc.

There has been the same, if not more people making wild claims and bashing the people who happen to like Windows 8. It's the Vista release all over again, except some of the initial Vista fear was justified thanks to very slow OEM support. Remember the Mojave Project? It was all about exposing and separating hype/rumors from facts.

Warnings should be given for people bashing on either side...not just one. The "change" comments aren't usually relevant, either. I don't think anyone switched just because it was new. If so, that's an awful decision process. New isn't always better. But by the same taken, new isn't always worse, either, and that's often forgotten.

There have been dozens of threads on here alone (not counting eightforums.com) where people would go on a tirade about how awful Windows 8 was and only morons would consider using it....only to have the OP later admit they've heard it was bad from their mother's, neighbor's barber, and have never actually used it themselves.

Equaled and exceeded only by the number of really nasty tirades (here and on eightforums) about how stupid, luddite, and afraid of change the morons were who didn't immediately get on board. As far as I recall, the "moron" calling was all in the other direction from what you indicate. And can you spare us the "they've heard it was bad from their mother's, neighbor's barber, and have never actually used it themselves" nonsense. I don't recall any such admissions, but even if there were, it doesn't materially change the situation.

"Warnings should be given for people bashing on either side...not just one."

Exactly - that was the ENTIRE point of my initial reply, which you completely missed or have gone on to ignore in order to continue bashing people who don't love Win8 they way you evidently do.

Each can make up their own mind about what is best for them

That is fine.

I don't attack those who like it - or those who dislike it.

I am fascinated by the process.

We won't often get the chance to see a monopoly trying to push something through in the face of dislike form a very significant number of users.

Might be the only chance in our lifetime to see something like that.

SIW2 said:

Each can make up their own mind about what is best for them

That is fine.

I don't attack those who like it - or those who dislike it.

I am fascinated by the process.

We won't often get the chance to see a monopoly trying to push something through in the face of dislike form a very significant number of users.

Might be the only chance in our lifetime to see something like that.

It IS fascinating, isn't it!? :)

sgage said:

Exactly - that was the ENTIRE point of my initial reply, which you completely missed or have gone on to ignore in order to continue bashing people who don't love Win8 they way you evidently do.

You are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing. You won't find me bashing people who have chosen to stay with Windows 7. Guess what...I'm also one of them. I'm typing on a system now that's running Windows 7 and won't ever be getting Windows 8. It's an i5-2400 system, quite capable of running Windows 8...but won't be by choice. I've never bashed anyone for evaluating their options and making a choice.

The point you missed, the threads you missed, the concepts you missed, are all about people who don't make up their own mind. My bashing of that mindset extends for anything and everything, not just computing. Ever get into a political debate with someone who supports either party, but can't tell you why? Far too many people close their minds to any new Microsoft product without any actual experience or knowledge of it. That's the only method that warrants any negative comments. There are plenty of people who have tried Windows 8 and decided it didn't justify the cost of upgrading. There's no need to bash those people...but rather celebrate the fact we have two damn good Windows operating systems to choose from, instead of most of our history where there was one (or less).

Assumptions don't help anyone, so I'll ask. Do you have kids? If so, think of how frustrating it is when they kick and scream about their hatred for broccoli....knowing full well they've never had it before. That's what I'm getting at. It's ridiculous for anyone to go on a rant or bash-spree on a product they've never tried. It happens enough, that yes, it's the point of my comments in this thread.

Can't wait for the next thrilling installment.

Those of us who have been using the recent Blue build will have seen they are just faffing with the metro and apps. stuff.

Nothing in that build to suggest MS are at all interested in their existing user base.

It isn't final - they might just be testing their app faffing at the moment. Future builds might include othere functions. Too early to be sure.

Windows system image has been dumped, and MS have moved control panel functions to the kiddie UI.

Hard to say what they are thinking at this point.

DeaconFrost said:

sgage said:

Exactly - that was the ENTIRE point of my initial reply, which you completely missed or have gone on to ignore in order to continue bashing people who don't love Win8 they way you evidently do.

You are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing. You won't find me bashing people who have chosen to stay with Windows 7. Guess what...I'm also one of them. I'm typing on a system now that's running Windows 7 and won't ever be getting Windows 8. It's an i5-2400 system, quite capable of running Windows 8...but won't be by choice. I've never bashed anyone for evaluating their options and making a choice.

The point you missed, the threads you missed, the concepts you missed, are all about people who don't make up their own mind. My bashing of that mindset extends for anything and everything, not just computing. Ever get into a political debate with someone who supports either party, but can't tell you why? Far too many people close their minds to any new Microsoft product without any actual experience or knowledge of it. That's the only method that warrants any negative comments. There are plenty of people who have tried Windows 8 and decided it didn't justify the cost of upgrading. There's no need to bash those people...but rather celebrate the fact we have two damn good Windows operating systems to choose from, instead of most of our history where there was one (or less).

Assumptions don't help anyone, so I'll ask. Do you have kids? If so, think of how frustrating it is when they kick and scream about their hatred for broccoli....knowing full well they've never had it before. That's what I'm getting at. It's ridiculous for anyone to go on a rant or bash-spree on a product they've never tried. It happens enough, that yes, it's the point of my comments in this thread.

Forget it. In NO way am I doing what you are doing, what you indeed started. You are just itching for a fight, and I am not. You began by calling criticism of Win8 "hype". When I pushed back, you rambled on about this and that. When I made cogent replies, your responded with more rhetorical crap. Consider taking that chip off your shoulder - you will be far more persuasive.

I have no more time for this nonsense - I am done with this thread.

This is the second gamer who's expressed concern here recently about MS trying to force them into Win8 with DX11 only being available in that OS.

A similar "inducement" has been presented to business who are finally starting to move en masse from XP before it XPires. In that case they are being warned in dire terms that without Win8 Secure Boot their PC's are not safe going forward with the (alleged) rise of BIOS infections (we hear about but never actually see here at the top tech forums).

Business has now taken this in and issued their verdict: wholesale migration to Win7 without even giving a second look at Win8.

If this isn't the market ruling I don't know what is. But even then I don't know if they'll listen. They still as a company don't seem to realize they have in Win7 created the best OS that ever existed, one of the greatest achievements in tech history: a completely perfect OS which isn't even showing any age yet.

It will be interesting to watch how they try to phase out an OS which business is just starting to migrate to en masse, which is wildly popular with consumers who have only just gotten to know it in great numbers.

sgage said:

Consider taking that chip off your shoulder - you will be far more persuasive.

Please don't make assumptions. I have no chip on my shoulder. You have been the one following me and taking issue with everything I've said, which means you'd be the one itching for a fight...not me. I was merely posting facts about past threads and issues we've had here (and on enthusiast boards).

Judging by your post count, it's probably safe to say you haven't been involved in many of the threads I was referring to. The tone of this comment isn't to be combative, but if you were to search back for the threads I was referring to, you'd see how bad it got.