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Windows 7: You guys... I am SO confused! I need some help!

18 Oct 2009   #1
tylar112

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 
You guys... I am SO confused! I need some help!

Im so sorry that this is so long, but I want to be as detailed as possible so you know what I need help with.

Okay! so!
I was having some problems with my ATI driver earlier, if you want, you can read the thread here, My ATI radeon 200 stops working when I restart

ANYWAY. I pretty much gave up on trying to fix my aero themes, and totally forgot about it.

so basically, I was searching around for some stuff about custom msstyles, and was having some troubles trying to install custom msstyles because I kept getting a "you need permission to perform this action" and after about an hour of researching, I ended up on this page, Fix “You need permission to perform this action” error

Which lead me to type "net user administrator /active:yes"
in the command prompt, And after I restarted, It brought me to the logon page, and for some reason I had a new "Administrator" account, and It had a weird box around it, and my original account does NOT. anyway, I logged onto it and BAM. my areo themes were working, and everything! I was so shocked! and confused! Which makes me think that this account is the top administrator. even though my original account was the account made when I first got windows 7.

Technically they're both Administrator accounts. BUT, for some reason, ((this may be hard to follow, so pay attention. see the attached file)) when I go to control panel on the NEW administrator account and go to "manage accounts" I click on my ORIGINAL account and I have the option to change account type for my ORIGINAL account.

When I log onto my original account, and go to control panel, then go to manage account and click on the ADMINISTRATOR account, I DONT have this option!

Like I said, Which makes me think that the new administrator account is the top administrator, and it seems to be working better, because my aero themes are back!

I want to know how to transfer ALL my files, such as my documents, pictures, music, personal folders, and programs so that they will work properly, to the NEW administrator account and then delete the original user account

thank you for reading all of this!
I hope someone can help me

thanks again!




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18 Oct 2009   #2
sup3rsprt

XP, Seven, 2008R2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tylar112 View Post
I want to know how to transfer ALL my files, such as my documents, pictures, music, personal folders, and programs so that they will work properly, to the NEW administrator account and then delete the original user account
enable show hidden files and folders

go to C:\users\<old_username>

copy everything except the nt dat files

paste them in folder

c:\users\<new_username>
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18 Oct 2009   #3
H2SO4

Win7x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tylar112 View Post
... I click on my ORIGINAL account and I have the option to change account type for my ORIGINAL account.

When I log onto my original account, and go to control panel, then go to manage account and click on the ADMINISTRATOR account, I DONT have this option!
What you're calling the "new administrator" is in fact the first account created during the installation of the OS. It is "built-in", in the sense that it cannot be deleted or permanently deactivated (not without really trying), and by definition it is always part of the "administrators" group. That's why you cannot demote it.

Your "original" account was actually created post-installation but it is not "built-in". While it is part of the "administrators" group, it is just as powerful as any other administrator account, with the caveat that it can be demoted or deleted by any other administrator.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tylar112 View Post
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I want to know how to transfer ALL my files, such as my documents, pictures, music, personal folders, and programs so that they will work properly, to the NEW administrator account and then delete the original user account
That is a very bad idea from a security perspective, which is why I personally don't want to help you do that.

The account you use for daily tasks like reading mail and accessing the web should not be an administrator account. Instead, it should be a normal user. That way, when malware inevitably finds its way onto your machine, the damage it can do will be highly limited by the fact that it's running in a non-admin user context.

Doing everything as an admin is just asking for pwnage. It is an old and outdated practice which should be actively avoided and discouraged in others.
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18 Oct 2009   #4
sup3rsprt

XP, Seven, 2008R2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by H2SO4 View Post
That is a very bad idea from a security perspective, which is why I personally don't want to help you do that.
Agreed. He should create a regular account first. In other words, do not use the built-in Administrator account. Copy the files to a new regular account.
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18 Oct 2009   #5
tylar112

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sup3rsprt View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by H2SO4 View Post
That is a very bad idea from a security perspective, which is why I personally don't want to help you do that.
Agreed. He should create a regular account first. In other words, do not use the built-in Administrator account. Copy the files to a new regular account.
that is actually an extremely smart idea.
would it make sense to create a new account and copy the files to the new regular account? or keep my original account and set it to standard.

how should I do this?

because im the only person to use my computer, and im always using it to the fullest
making songs, downloading music, playing games, everything! I dont want to be restricted from doing certain things.
If I make a "regular" account, what should I put on it?
I dont want to be switching from account, to account

I understand what you're saying, but Im trying to figure this out in my head on how I would organize it all
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18 Oct 2009   #6
sup3rsprt

XP, Seven, 2008R2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tylar112 View Post
how should I do this?
I've given the procedure above.

You create your new account, log in, then copy over the files from your old account into the new account.
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18 Oct 2009   #7
H2SO4

Win7x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tylar112 View Post
...because im the only person to use my computer, and im always using it to the fullest
making songs, downloading music, playing games, everything! I dont want to be restricted from doing certain things.
(In addition to what sup3rsprt said...)

Novice: "I am not some little baby that needs hand-holding and protecting on the Internet! I am knowledgeable and I know how to look after myself. Therefore, I am sufficiently advanced to always use an admin account and never be limited in any way by my own machine!"

Veteran: "In order to protect myself and my data, I will rely on a non-privileged account for daily tasks. Reading mail and browsing the web don't require admin rights anyway. When I do wish to make legitimate changes to the machine configuration, I will briefly "elevate" myself to a full admin context, and then quickly revert to a non-privileged user account as soon as possible."

Understanding the difference between the two mindsets and crossing over from the former to the latter is a rite of passage for any wanna-be-advanced computery person.
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18 Oct 2009   #8
MacGyvr

Windows 7 Ultimate RTM (Technet)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by H2SO4 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tylar112 View Post
... I click on my ORIGINAL account and I have the option to change account type for my ORIGINAL account.

When I log onto my original account, and go to control panel, then go to manage account and click on the ADMINISTRATOR account, I DONT have this option!
What you're calling the "new administrator" is in fact the first account created during the installation of the OS. It is "built-in", in the sense that it cannot be deleted or permanently deactivated (not without really trying), and by definition it is always part of the "administrators" group. That's why you cannot demote it.

Your "original" account was actually created post-installation but it is not "built-in". While it is part of the "administrators" group, it is just as powerful as any other administrator account, with the caveat that it can be demoted or deleted by any other administrator.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tylar112 View Post
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I want to know how to transfer ALL my files, such as my documents, pictures, music, personal folders, and programs so that they will work properly, to the NEW administrator account and then delete the original user account
That is a very bad idea from a security perspective, which is why I personally don't want to help you do that.

The account you use for daily tasks like reading mail and accessing the web should not be an administrator account. Instead, it should be a normal user. That way, when malware inevitably finds its way onto your machine, the damage it can do will be highly limited by the fact that it's running in a non-admin user context.

Doing everything as an admin is just asking for pwnage. It is an old and outdated practice which should be actively avoided and discouraged in others.
While I understand the reasoning behind this, I have to say that I completely disagree. There is no reason that malware will "inevitably" find its way into a system IF the user follows common sense rules. I operated my computer under an administrative account since such a thing was optional and to this day, I have had exactly one virus infection. I do not believe in being inconvenienced by running user a "limited user" account is necessary. I have tried it under XP (not since) and it was an absolute nuisance.

No need to flame, just putting another opinion out there. Common sense prevails.
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18 Oct 2009   #9
Tews

64-bit Windows 8.1 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by H2SO4 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tylar112 View Post
... I click on my ORIGINAL account and I have the option to change account type for my ORIGINAL account.

When I log onto my original account, and go to control panel, then go to manage account and click on the ADMINISTRATOR account, I DONT have this option!
What you're calling the "new administrator" is in fact the first account created during the installation of the OS. It is "built-in", in the sense that it cannot be deleted or permanently deactivated (not without really trying), and by definition it is always part of the "administrators" group. That's why you cannot demote it.

Your "original" account was actually created post-installation but it is not "built-in". While it is part of the "administrators" group, it is just as powerful as any other administrator account, with the caveat that it can be demoted or deleted by any other administrator.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tylar112 View Post
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I want to know how to transfer ALL my files, such as my documents, pictures, music, personal folders, and programs so that they will work properly, to the NEW administrator account and then delete the original user account
That is a very bad idea from a security perspective, which is why I personally don't want to help you do that.

The account you use for daily tasks like reading mail and accessing the web should not be an administrator account. Instead, it should be a normal user. That way, when malware inevitably finds its way onto your machine, the damage it can do will be highly limited by the fact that it's running in a non-admin user context.

Doing everything as an admin is just asking for pwnage. It is an old and outdated practice which should be actively avoided and discouraged in others.
While I understand the reasoning behind this, I have to say that I completely disagree. There is no reason that malware will "inevitably" find its way into a system IF the user follows common sense rules. I operated my computer under an administrative account since such a thing was optional and to this day, I have had exactly one virus infection. I do not believe in being inconvenienced by running user a "limited user" account is necessary. I have tried it under XP (not since) and it was an absolutely nuisance.

No need to flame, just putting another opinion out there. Common sense prevails.

You posess a quality that the average new user does not... it is the lack of this quality that necessitates the need for operating in a standard user account...
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18 Oct 2009   #10
H2SO4

Win7x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr View Post
While I understand the reasoning behind this, I have to say that I completely disagree.
Good. It would be extremely boring if everybody thought the same thing about everything

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr View Post
There is no reason that malware will "inevitably" find its way into a system IF the user follows common sense rules. I operated my computer under an administrative account since such a thing was optional and to this day, I have had exactly one virus infection.
Perhaps you'd have avoided that one infection as a standard user.

In many ways, this is the only real security advantage that Linux (supposedly) enjoys over Windows, and it's got more to do with the users than the OS. You don't see these debates on NIX forums. It's an ingrained mindset. They wouldn't dream of using the box to surf the web while logged on as root.

Microsoft faces an uphill battle to convince its own user base to adopt the same strategy - admin accounts only when absolutely necessary. It's a less technical audience, in general, and convenience means more to them than security.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr View Post
I do not believe in being inconvenienced by running user a "limited user" account is necessary. I have tried it under XP (not since) and it was an absolute nuisance.
XP predated the LUA initiative. In other words, it was never specifically designed to facilitate the daily use of non-admin accounts. Vista and Win7 make it a lot easier.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MacGyvr View Post
No need to flame, just putting another opinion out there. Common sense prevails.
Whoever flames you for your opinion will have to endure public ridicule from me
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