Win8 upgrade experience

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       #91

    Slartybart said:
    lehnerus2000 said:
    See post above
    I could put the parts on my internal HD, but I'm limited to 5 parts. The OS and my Data push the free space to the middle of the drive and then I'd have to create the part in the extended part. A little extras overheard and the arm distance .... maybe I'm working of habit .

    Drives have improved but I don't think I'll going to do the analysis I did 20 years ago again to see if the old rules still apply.

    It's been nice discussing the old days and how we got here. My next machine will be a desktop and I can add more drives. The laptop is nice, but it's a pain to reorganize.

    Bill
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    I thought that there might have been issues with the way laptop HDDs are setup.
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    x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
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       #92

    Man.. I have to sleep - should be 4 parts, not 5.

    Most OEMs make it difficult to change their schema. system, boot, recovery take up 3 parts. HP adds a fourth so that's it - you have to rip it apart to even make an extended part. I usually create the OEM Recovery media and then nuke the Recovery part (I've learned that the extra HP part can also be removed, but it's only a few gig. From there, it's easy to create a better part schema.

    Anyway, the machine seems to be running fine with the static pagefile. The drive is still only 1% fragmented (no fragmentation in pagefile) so that's good. It has not grown into the extra meg I allocated either.
    I think I'm happy with this.

    I've also manage to correct all of the security issues (files on the ext drive) that I caused by tightening the screws when it was attached under Win7 (different fully qualified user names). So that too is good news.

    I think the only thing that really needs to be resolved is finding the setting that keeps the ext drive awake. There's one setting that I always read backwards - off is good, when on is good. That's tomorrow or Thurs - I'm in no hurry.

    Bill
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       #93

    That was interesting - just clicked on a file that had no app association and MS Store popped up
    there is a more options hyperlink that show Desktop pmgs and at the end if the list, another hypertext for look for more apps on this pc.

    interesting
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       #94

    Looked around in DevMgr for possible clues to the sleepy Seagate.

    Safely removed the drive
    Cleaned up all the ghost entries.
    Uninstalled the portable devices associated with the drive.
    Connected the drive
    I expected the drive letters to change , they didn't - I might have to go into Diskpart though and tell Windows to forget drive letters.

    Performance is better, no apparent delays when the drive is accessed. Might be too early to tell. The thing is still "sleeping" or at least it's turned it's lights off.

    The USB 3.0 controller drivers are now xHCI and are identified as AMD, but tagged with Provider: Microsoft.
    AMD USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller - 0096 (Microsoft)

    This might just be the way MS is managing drivers now. I haven't been on Win8 long enough to start mucking around at the device level yet. I tend to break things and then have to fix things.

    Greg would tell me - don't mess around with drivers - let WU do it.
    And he would be right.

    But that's no fun at all

    I'm putting this sleepy Seagate "issue" on the back burner since the system is working well.
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       #95

    I've been playing around with running 8.1 in a VM with Win 7 as the Host.
    As of now it seems installing VMware Player broke my auto Sleep in Win 7
    Win 7 can still manually sleep.

    For you something sleeps that should stay awake, for me something stays awake that should sleep
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       #96

    Thanks David, as with every new system, I'll keep poking around for new or different stuff. There's always that extra bit that needs to be set

    Read the manual? No way - poking things is much more fun.

    I've been meaning to look a little deeper at this: Hyper-V - How to Use in Windows 8
    - but that's two weeks away for me I think.
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       #97

    DavidW7ncus said:
    I've been playing around with running 8.1 in a VM with Win 7 as the Host.
    As of now it seems installing VMware Player broke my auto Sleep in Win 7
    Win 7 can still manually sleep.

    For you something sleeps that should stay awake, for me something stays awake that should sleep
    To solve issues like these, set your vmware players services to manual start up, and then use this tool/bat I wrote here:


    Not a program, but great for people using vmware player...

    You will also have a little slightly faster startup time without those services. :)
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       #98

    Just by chance I was seeing what search on Start did if I chose settings. Not knowing what to enter, I tried a few devices, then though of USB.

    I had to hit enter surprisingly, but that took me to PC Settings (which is different if launched from the charm on Desktop.
    Every device was listed under Other (wireless mouse & KB receiver, Monitor, and my ext HD).

    I hopped back to Desktop and checked Devices and Printers - changed the grouping to see what it thought.

    by Classification
    Devices (4)
    PC, ext HD, Monitor, and wireless receiver
    Printers (2)
    Fax, XPS

    by Category
    Devices with Storage (1)
    ext HD
    the other devices were in expected categories
    That was a bit surprising, but ok... an ext drive is a device with storage

    Following my right click everything "rule", I tried the ext drive. Nothing new there, but I decided to try the trouble shooter.
    Another surprise - no advanced options to run as administrator or checkbox Fix automatically, so it fixed something.
    Win8 upgrade experience-wints_usb.png

    The details weren't much help.

    As I typed this the ext drive went to sleep. So that wasn't it.

    Back to the back burner it goes.
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  9.    #99

    Did you ever find a USB sleep setting in BIOS?
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  10. Posts : 6,458
    x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
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       #100

    gregrocker said:
    Did you ever find a USB sleep setting in BIOS?
    I'm not sure. HP doesn't give you much freedom with the BIOS and I don't recall having to change anything there before when it was first connected to Win7.

    It's an Insyde BIOS that HP mod - purportedly UEFI, but HP mod (a hybrid- EFI diags only)

    I'll take a look, thanks for the suggestion and the reminder. Still have firmware to check - I think I looked a while back and there was nada.

    Bill
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