Win8 upgrade experience

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  1. Posts : 6,458
    x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
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    ThrashZone said:
    I had vista for less than 30 days/ win-7 was a joy that needed Zero tweaking,
    8 is already more complicated,
    But yes life goes on I'm on 8 now but that was just to kill the connection,
    Who knew what a local account was

    The real bummer is Onedrive is stuck in win-8.1 forever,
    It took 10 minutes to find the freaking snipping tool
    You're just fighting it too hard.

    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    Once you accept Start is a fancy schmancy start menu, and you can pin things to it by right clicking, you will have a little more fun - cough, cough
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  2. Posts : 6,458
    x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
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    Sorry about that, I sounded a bit gruff

    Try this: on the desktop, unlock the taskbar and drag it up a little.
    then go to All users Start menu
    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs
    and right click what you need - pin to taskbar

    that will make it more familiar to you, I think.

    You could even move the taskbar to the left so it's more like a Win7 "start menu"
    taskbar > properties > taskbar location on screen

    Once you've built a pseudo start menu, you never have to go to Start
    You can even put a shortcut on the taskbar for All Users start menu > programs

    Just a thought

    I'm wrestling with colors and sizes and an error of my own making when I moved an account off of c:
    I do it every time - sheesh!
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  3. Posts : 4,050
    W7 Ultimate SP1, LM19.2 MATE, W10 Home 1703, W10 Pro 1703 VM, #All 64 bit


    DavidW7ncus said:
    I'm thinking I might prefer to run W8 in a VM with W7 as the host.
    Not sure if my hardware is up for it, but I might try that sometime.
    Try making a VHD version.
    You are supposed to get better performance.

    I ran the W8 previews that way.
    They acted like they had been normally installed on my HDD.

    I followed these instructions:
    Mister Goodcat | Installing Windows 8 Developer Preview as bootable VHD

    Obviously make sure you have backed up your valuable data before you start. :)

    You can make the Windows key take you to "All Apps" instead of "Metro".
    You need to change some options in the "Taskbar and Navigation properties" window.
    Win8 upgrade experience-w8.1-all-apps-setting.png
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 16 Jun 2014 at 00:51. Reason: Additional
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  4. Posts : 24,479
    Windows 7 Ultimate X64 SP1

    Thanks Derek, Bill. I hate to look up acronyms when the author doesn't explain it, as, VUP (Version Upgrade Package).
    Common ones that are universally known are okay, CD, DVD, HDD, SSD, PC, RAM, CPU, GPU, etc., and etc.
    ESD is apparently an encrypted Windows Image (WIM) file.
    Last edited by Britton30; 16 Jun 2014 at 07:47.
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    Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and numerous virtual machines

    ESD is also know for Electrical Static Discharge, little yellow label on ram, Hard Drives and other static sensitive parts

    What is ESD or ElectroStatic Discharge

    It looks like the upgrade to 8.1 can be shocking
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  6. Posts : 20,583
    Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit

    Start8 looks like a winner although I only briefly looked at it,
    Win-7 startup was slow as molasses this morning just getting to the win-7 login

    I had got a popup before that win-7 wasn't compatible but I can still use it, allot longer message than that but I'll try to take a screen shot if it returns,
    Didn't happen this morning though :/

    I found all the taskbar options soon enough they were not enough neither were folder options,
    And pinning to taskbar isn't at all what I'm looking for buddy,
    Start8 is practically win-7 start button

    Tony that is no lie buddy

    One thing that was kind of disturbing,
    Flash is not listed in the programs list so it doesn't look as though it can be uninstalled,
    It showed the out of date version but does not show the current version

    I don't believe that was the case in win-7 and ie11 flash showed up in the programs list and the control panel.
    Last edited by ThrashZone; 16 Jun 2014 at 06:50. Reason: Flash
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  7. Posts : 6,330
    Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64 +Linux_VMs +Chromium_VM

    Flash is built into Win 8 IE.
    You can open this page in IE for info:
    Flash Player Issues | Windows 8

    I use Classic Shell (free) for the Start menu and it works great for me ...
    There is a Classic Shell sticky thread in EF
    Classic Shell for Windows 8
    Ivo is the thread starter and program author, and is very helpful if anyone has issues/questions.

    Some of my other W8 findings...

    For anyone using dual booting, booting into Win 7 can delete all Win 8 Restore Points and set the allocated space to zero.
    If you use Restore Points this tutorial shows how to set the Win 8 partiton to Offline in Win 7, so restore points are not deleted.
    System Restore Points - Stop XP Dual Boot Delete
    The tutorial is for XP / Vista or Win 7, but it applies to Win7 / Win 8 as well.
    I used Option 2 (manual regedit).
    The Offline partition(s) are listed in Windows (file) explorer as "Local Disk", but they aren't accessible.
    The correct label is still displayed when that OS is booted ... it is not shown as "Local Disk".

    Win 8 Resume from Hibernate is MUCH faster than Win 7.
    I use Hybrid sleep, so that's a welcome change for me.
    XP resume was fast, W7 resume is slow, W8 resume is fast ...
    I didn't use Vista long enough to know (or remember).

    From what I see, it seems the "8.1.1" update is installed when updating from 8 to 8.1 via the App Store.
    I see updates listed in Windows Updates / Installed Updates with an install date of of 3/18/2014.
    That date is BEFORE I installed Win 8, and these updates can't be uninstalled ...
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  8. Posts : 15,914
    7 X64

    win8 deletes my win7 shadow copies, pretty annoying. A lot of annoyances and restrictions with 8. Taste of things to come as the tech companies push us into their online services. That is what win 8 is for.
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  9. Posts : 6,330
    Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64 +Linux_VMs +Chromium_VM

    I added the Offline registry entries for Win 7 partitions to Windows 8.
    It hasn't caused me any problems, but I don't use Restore Points in Win 7...
    You could try that and see if it fixes the issue.
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  10. Posts : 50,600
    Windows 11 Workstation x64

    ThrashZone said:
    Start8 looks like a winner although I only briefly looked at it
    I found start8 the best of all and use it on most of my PC's, however on my laptop I recently reloaded it with 8.1 update 1 with no added start menu, after using it for a week while on my holidays I think I could happily live with the standard functionality and I doubt I'd use start8 the next time my main PC is reloaded.
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