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Windows 7: Documents Library Not Functioning

09 Feb 2009   #31
dsopocy

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
 
 
Xi-Fi Memory Allocation

Baarod -

I've attached a snapshot of Memory allocation reported by Device Manager after booting with the 3 GB constraint, as you requested.

Dale

P.S.
So you're in Bradley. Close enough to catch Bears' training camp come summer!




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10 Feb 2009   #32
baarod

El Capitan / Windows 10
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dsopocy View Post
Baarod -

I've attached a snapshot of Memory allocation reported by Device Manager after booting with the 3 GB constraint, as you requested.

Dale

P.S.
So you're in Bradley. Close enough to catch Bears' training camp come summer!
Same address ranges in use with 3GB. Is the IRQ doing the same thing with and without the memory constraint as well? If not we can hard map that IRQ to the X-Fi in your BIOS rather than letting ACPI do it.

Let's get an .nfo so I can look at the rest of it to make sure -- please run this command: msinfo32 /nfo %userprofile%\desktop\dale.nfo and post the file that appears on your desktop.

Da Bears: Yeah, we can hear them from here. Could have walked through the neighbor's backyard to see them if they wouldn't have put that fence up.
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10 Feb 2009   #33
dsopocy

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
 
 
System Configuration

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by baarod View Post
Same address ranges in use with 3GB. Is the IRQ doing the same thing with and without the memory constraint as well? If not we can hard map that IRQ to the X-Fi in your BIOS rather than letting ACPI do it.

Let's get an .nfo so I can look at the rest of it to make sure -- please run this command: msinfo32 /nfo %userprofile%\desktop\dale.nfo and post the file that appears on your desktop.
The X-Fi is assigned IRQ 19 in both cases. Memory allocation space is the same as well. (Clarification: The memory addresses I posted earlier and the subsequent Device Manager screen captures were both with MSCONFIG limiting RAM to 3072 MB.)

I did a considerable amount of experimentation/testing this morning and found that no matter what RAM I set in MSCONFIG, only 2048 MB RAM is being recognized. Evidently the granularity of RAM control offered by MSCONFIG is limited to blocking/unblocking memory chips. (I have a pair of 2048 MB chips in the first paired slots and a pair of 4096 MB chips in the second paired slots.)

I have attached my system info files captured at both configurations, 6144 MB and limited to 3072 MB (actually 2048 MB). ReadyBoost is enabled in both configurations. The latter configuration has clear, undistorted sound, although I still get momentary drop outs - seemingly any time I initiate an action (e.g., launch an application, open a document in an open application, click on an IE link, etc.).

Thanks again for your help.

Dale

P.S.
What's with the weird IRQ assignment for PCI-to-PCI bridge?


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10 Feb 2009   #34
NosferatuX

Windows 7 Build 7048 x64
 
 

I've tried digging in to this crackling and popping issue with X-Fi cards, the most notable suggestions for trying to resolve this are;

Set the PCI Latency to 96 or greater (in BIOS)
Overclock the PCI bus to 40 MHz instead of 33 MHz (in BIOS)

Unfortunately, it was sad to learn that Creative has not come up with a fix to this issue though it has affected some of it's users for several years now. Makes me have second thoughts on Creative's customer commitment.
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10 Feb 2009   #35
dsopocy

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NosferatuX View Post
I've tried digging in to this crackling and popping issue with X-Fi cards, the most notable suggestions for trying to resolve this are;

Set the PCI Latency to 96 or greater (in BIOS)
Overclock the PCI bus to 40 MHz instead of 33 MHz (in BIOS)

Unfortunately, it was sad to learn that Creative has not come up with a fix to this issue though it has affected some of it's users for several years now. Makes me have second thoughts on Creative's customer commitment.
NosferatuX -

Thanks for digging. My Phoenix BIOS settings function does not support changes to either setting. Do you know of a utility "safe" to use in Win 7 that will allow me to experiment with these PCI bus settings?

Dale

P.S.
While there is ample evidence that the PCI bus problem exists, it also seems probable that at least the current beta drivers also have a problem when more than 3 GB of RAM is present. In my case, crackling and popping completely subsides when I restrict RAM to 2 GB, in which case the only symptoms of the PCI bus problem are the sound drop outs that occur when I initiate a new process (see above postings).
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10 Feb 2009   #36
NosferatuX

Windows 7 Build 7048 x64
 
 

Ok. We're pushing the envelope now

There's a software that can let you adjust the PCI bus speeds manually that works in 32 and 64 bit Windows XP but will run in Vista, thus can be run in Windows 7. This is the only software to my knowledge that specializes in these adjustments as most tools adjusts cpu and dram timings. I'd suggest you read up on this and proceed with extreme caution. The software can be downloaded here accompanied with instructions as well.

Adjusting PCI latency to improve sound quality and reduce/eliminate sound distortions are used by musicians to manage multiple interface devices (i.e. midi, amps, musical instruments, etc.)
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11 Feb 2009   #37
dsopocy

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
 
 
Latency Adjustment a No Go

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NosferatuX View Post
There's a software that can let you adjust the PCI bus speeds manually that works in 32 and 64 bit Windows XP but will run in Vista, thus can be run in Windows 7. This is the only software to my knowledge that specializes in these adjustments as most tools adjusts cpu and dram timings. I'd suggest you read up on this and proceed with extreme caution. The software can be downloaded here accompanied with instructions as well.

Adjusting PCI latency to improve sound quality and reduce/eliminate sound distortions are used by musicians to manage multiple interface devices (i.e. midi, amps, musical instruments, etc.)
I tried PCI Latency Tool as you suggested, but Windows 7 is too smart for it. It blocks loading, denying configuration space to the application. This happens even in compatibility mode and with UAC turned off.

My best hope appears to be finding some way to work around the X-Fi's memory management bug within the limitations of the limited configurability of my Phoenix BIOS.

Dale
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11 Feb 2009   #38
zrtom

W8 Pro, W7 Ultimate, XP Pro x64, Vista x64, Ubuntu
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
Just to let you know, I lost My Pictures Library yesterday and I've been trying to fix it ever since.
I was adding a folder to the Pictures library when it just kinda hung with the progress bar slowly moving thru the breadcrumb bar...and then it stopped. Now it's not recognized as a Library anymore and it won't open at all. Properties is unavailable thru normal channels and when I nav to the hidden folder for libraries, I can get a properties page but the Libraries Tab is missing so there's no "Restore Default Library" option available.

I've been trying to figure out a way to restore it without resorting to deleting it and rebuilding a new library for the Pictures...there has to be some way to do it.

I think it's just a Beta bug of course, and I've seen others that have posted about this on other sites, but no definitive answers anywhere..yet. I'm gonna figure this out the hard way come He[[ or high water (or until I get sick & tired of it..)
I'm not sure, but this post by Mark Russinovich to his technical blog may shed some light on this issue. Although it appears to be related to Vista, virtualized files are, I think, the conceptual basis for libraries.....

Mark's Blog : The Case of the Phantom Desktop Files
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12 Feb 2009   #39
Dzomlija

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zrtom View Post
I'm not sure, but this post by Mark Russinovich to his technical blog may shed some light on this issue. Although it appears to be related to Vista, virtualized files are, I think, the conceptual basis for libraries.....

Mark's Blog : The Case of the Phantom Desktop Files
Actually no, virtualized files have nothing to do with it. "Libraries", as implemented in Windows 7, are nothing more than an advanced form of searching, which is why it is important to always have your Search Index enabled and up-to-date in order for libraries to work properly.
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12 Feb 2009   #40
NosferatuX

Windows 7 Build 7048 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by dsopocy View Post
I tried PCI Latency Tool as you suggested, but Windows 7 is too smart for it. It blocks loading, denying configuration space to the application. This happens even in compatibility mode and with UAC turned off.

My best hope appears to be finding some way to work around the X-Fi's memory management bug within the limitations of the limited reconfigurability of my Phoenix BIOS.

Dale
Dale, please try disabling UAC and running it as administrator. On the issue you're encountering running the latency tool, please give more details so we can make it run on your system.

The reason I went back to this, to date, I've not found any other notable solutions to this "Crackling and Popping" that does not involve PCI Bus adjustments short of changing the Audio Card completely

I'm most willing to see what we can do with this issue of yours
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