New concern re 10

sgage · 30 Dec 2015

fhutt said:

I agree mostly with what has been said.
I also go back to Dos, MSBasic and even CP/M. Then tried Windows 1, 2 and 3 and found them unusable and stayed with Dos. Then came Windows 3.1. I switched and upgraded right up to win 7. Win 7 had a problem for me. It had the classic theme but the menus were different until I found Classic Shell.
So I've used the classic environment for about 20 years now.

I upgraded to win 10 as a free upgrade from one of my win 7 machines to try it out. 3 days later I downgraded back to win 7.

If I am forced to upgrade to win 10, I thought I might as well check out other options. I looked into Linux. Unfortunately, I could not find (all) drivers even for one of my 4 machines and of course my printer and scanner. I will probably switch to the Mac.

Linux works very well on my current machine - I dual boot with Win7. When this machine dies, we'll have to see what happens. Win7 is available OEM until next October 31...

I gave Win10 a huge try since last October (2014) as an Insider, testing builds all along. I really tried to like it. But I'm a desktop guy, and it offered me less than nothing. The new design language makes my eyes bleed. Why O Why did MS have to mess up a good thing? They could have pursued their 'cloud first/mobile first' thing without ruining the desktop.

My computer is not a phone, or a 'media consumption device'. I don't want to be connected to 'social medai' all the time (or ever, for that matter). I am no longer a part of Microsoft's demographic.

I feel the end of an era coming on...

Baddog22556 · 30 Dec 2015

..so why fix a wheel that is not broken? I can see no advantage other than more profits for Microsoft.

Correct answer. Happens every few years. The sky is falling! The sky is falling! - Chicken Little -
I hated W98 but loved W98SE. I hated W2K and Vista but love my WXP and will never change.
OK, so W7 is great now too but I fear W10. Why? We all get used to everything in a short time.
W7 will be updated for another 5 years and then probably extended like XP was.
Just like Baskin Robins there are over 31 flavors of Linux and it's all free. So why is not Linux the
gold standard? How about Evolve OS? It's evolution pure and simple. There has been, are and will
continue to be choices. Go for whatever floats your boat and quit swimming upstream.

(I complain if my ice cream is too cold.)

ICIT2LOL · 30 Dec 2015

Well I am glad that I ma not alone because every post or thread I have done on this very subject has been met mainly with some form of negativity towards what I have been saying and that is the right of choice to use whatever software I like as long as it is legal.

The latest material that I found and linked to here and in the 10 forum was to me at least something that I felt to be going a tad further than what I consider to be good judgment on Microsoft's part to put it mildly.

Now I wonder what would be the outcome (I have rendered this example before somewhere) if a major car manufacturer suddenly decided to install devices that can not be removed from all of their new vehicles that reported back to them where one has driven, when they did that, how much fuel they used, indeed what brand of fuel they used etc etc would anyone here put up with that?? I think not so why put up with Microsoft bulldozing 10 onto our machines without even asking?

I have said and will again that I am resigned to 10 becoming the only system available I just want to use 7 until it becomes obsolete. I know I have been told by many that 10 is not such a bad system and that I should throw away the tin hat but I cannot just stand by and watch it happen without voicing my opinion - have we still not learnt from history that not to question anything opens one up to all sorts of abuse for want of a better term.

Lady Fitzgerald · 30 Dec 2015

Baddog22556 said:

..so why fix a wheel that is not broken? I can see no advantage other than more profits for Microsoft.

Correct answer. Happens every few years. The sky is falling! The sky is falling! - Chicken Little -
I hated W98 but loved W98SE. I hated W2K and Vista but love my WXP and will never change.
OK, so W7 is great now too but I fear W10. Why? We all get used to everything in a short time.
W7 will be updated for another 5 years and then probably extended like XP was.
Just like Baskin Robins there are over 31 flavors of Linux and it's all free. So why is not Linux the
gold standard? How about Evolve OS? It's evolution pure and simple. There has been, are and will
continue to be choices. Go for whatever floats your boat and quit swimming upstream.

(I complain if my ice cream is too cold.)

Actually, Win 7 will be updated for only a hair over four years. EOL is 01/14/2020. I also seriously doubt Win 7's EOL will get extended; M$py is too bound and determined to get people off of it and apparently doesn't care who gets ticked off over it.

Baddog22556 · 30 Dec 2015

Sorry. I should have said 4.hair+ years.

Previously, all support for Windows XP Home was slated to end two years after the release of Vista, in other words, at the end of January 2009. Finally ended in April 2014. Why should this be different?
The UK and Dutch governments have paid Microsoft multiple millions to extend support for Windows XP past the 8 April 2014 cutoff date. China got extend merely by shear numbers still being sold there.
I don't believe anything I hear, half of what I see and then believe less than half of that.

Golden · 30 Dec 2015

I think the thing to do John, is to do whatever you think you need to.

Any opinion you post, will have those for it, and those against it. What is certain is that there is no turning back from Windows 10, and whether you love it or hate it, its not going to change. How you deal with it, is up to you.

ICIT2LOL · 30 Dec 2015

Yes I know Colin it just seems at the moment that once it has got set in my mind as to what the system involves - one is hit yet again by new information that adds to the what is an ongoing river of changes that Microsoft is or has got in mind. I just wish they would come out and tell us what is going to happen - I do hate nasty little surprises.

As I have said I am going to use 7 as long as I can and maybe put 10 in one of my laptops to try it again but if it is anything like the last time I tried it because in my mind - it has some way to go to match what 7 has given us ie the GUI which is so easy in 7 and I find rather convoluted in 10.

All the other stuff going on it is a fait accompli

ThrashZone · 30 Dec 2015

I hear ya I have 10 pro and I doubt I'll use it for months
I've already clean installed it 3 times and it still as buggy as ever.

derekimo · 30 Dec 2015

ICIT2LOL said:

Now I wonder what would be the outcome (I have rendered this example before somewhere) if a major car manufacturer suddenly decided to install devices that can not be removed from all of their new vehicles that reported back to them where one has driven, when they did that, how much fuel they used, indeed what brand of fuel they used etc etc would anyone here put up with that??

OnStar from GM pretty much does most of that,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnStar

They charge you for it, but the device(s) are there even if you opt out.

Some of it can actually slow the car down for police if it's stolen.

It's a data mining world now John, everything is collected.

ICIT2LOL · 31 Dec 2015

derekimo said:

ICIT2LOL said:

Now I wonder what would be the outcome (I have rendered this example before somewhere) if a major car manufacturer suddenly decided to install devices that can not be removed from all of their new vehicles that reported back to them where one has driven, when they did that, how much fuel they used, indeed what brand of fuel they used etc etc would anyone here put up with that??

OnStar from GM pretty much does most of that,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnStar

They charge you for it, but the device(s) are there even if you opt out.

Some of it can actually slow the car down for police if it's stolen.

It's a data mining world now John, everything is collected.

Yep Derek seems so eh? I suppose some of the gear is good like the stolen car device - some of it questionable.
Whatever the outcome it is quite sad in a way that something pleasurable is or has become something to be unsure and wary of.

If 10 is as Mike says still buggy because that was another thing that annoyed me when I tried 10 before - why the heck haven't they fixed or the best part of the bugs by now?? Because that smacks of 10 being released far too early.