Are you serious right now?(Windows 10 forced)

woodyleonhard said:

Brink said:

I welcome any 100% undeniable proof showing it forced on you, and not from user error.

Do you have a clean Win7 machine handy? Go into WU's "Select updates to install" and uncheck "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586." Click OK.

Now click "Check for updates" on the left.

WU will tell you to "Upgrade to Windows 10"

Now, click on the link marked "Show all available updates." See how "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586" is checked?

That still only shows that you just need to uncheck the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update before installing the others.

I don't see how that's forced on you. I again refer you to the screenshots here.


If you don't want to see the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update anymore to have to uncheck it each time, then you can use this below to disable and remove it.

Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums

@ woodyleonhard

After you change the settings to your Windows 7 Updates, reboot and see if the changes stay as you want them.

Layback Bear said:

I do agree Lady that many people don't watch what is going on with their system and let things happen or choose them to happen not knowing what they are doing. Yes, Microsoft just loves those kinds of customers.

Any information about computing is only a few ticks away on the internet if one wants to learn.
Those people don't seem to have a problem finding and using FaceBook, Tweeter ect.

All we can do is give guidance to those that want to learn. If those people just want to poke and go that was their choice.

We can't make people learn and gain knowledge. That is something they will have to choose.
Kind of like buying a new car. One is given a owners manual but no body can make them read it.

I learn new things most every day; only because I choose to.
I PM a member just today to ask some questions on Clean Install. He does more Clean Installs in one week than I do in a year. I wanted to learn and the answers I receive did help me with my questions.
I'm acting on what I learned as we speak.

Why anybody would think they can buy one of the most technical pieces of equipment known to mankind and think their is nothing to learn to operate it properly is be on me.

I agree; some people don't want to learn, are afraid to learn, or simply can't learn but that doesn't give anyone, including MS, the right to take advantage of them.

Many people buy and/or operate computers because they have to in order to keep up in the modern day world. Automobiles require only a basic amount of knowledge to operate but quite a bit of skill to repair and maintain, yet people still buy them.

Brink said:

woodyleonhard said:

Brink said:

I welcome any 100% undeniable proof showing it forced on you, and not from user error.

Do you have a clean Win7 machine handy? Go into WU's "Select updates to install" and uncheck "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586." Click OK.

Now click "Check for updates" on the left.

WU will tell you to "Upgrade to Windows 10"

Now, click on the link marked "Show all available updates." See how "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586" is checked?

That still only shows that you just need to uncheck the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update before installing the others.

I don't see how that's forced on you. I again refer you to the screenshots here.


If you don't want to see the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update anymore to have to uncheck it each time, then you can use this below to disable and remove it.

Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums

And how are the average computer users of the world—the Ma and Pa kettles or Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sixpack; in other words, the vast majority of computer users—supposed to know all that?

Lady Fitzgerald said:

Brink said:

woodyleonhard said:

Do you have a clean Win7 machine handy? Go into WU's "Select updates to install" and uncheck "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586." Click OK.

Now click "Check for updates" on the left.

WU will tell you to "Upgrade to Windows 10"

Now, click on the link marked "Show all available updates." See how "Upgrade to Windows10 Pro, version 1511,10586" is checked?

That still only shows that you just need to uncheck the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update before installing the others.

I don't see how that's forced on you. I again refer you to the screenshots here.


If you don't want to see the "Optional" "Upgrade to Windows 10" update anymore to have to uncheck it each time, then you can use this below to disable and remove it.

Upgrade to Windows 10 Update - Enable or Disable in Windows 7 or 8.1 - Windows 10 Forums

And how are the average computer users of the world—the Ma and Pa kettles or Mr. and Mrs. Joe Sixpack; in other words, the vast majority of computer users—supposed to know all that?

I agree that it would be better to have it unchecked by default.

However, reading what it says would be a good start to know what your doing before doing it. It'll then just be a matter of unchecking what you don't want to install.

This would of course only be an issue if they manually checked for and installed updates though since Windows does not automatically install "optional" updates.

Ad LF, That is a problem. There is a big void with the average user as far as system knowledge is concerned. If everything works well, they can get by. But as soon as there is an irregularity, these poor souls are lost. I guess that's where we come in. If it were all smooth sailing, we would be out of a job, LOL.

woodyleonhard said:

Brink, I just noticed that you're an MVP. Have you been following the discussion on the MVP Yammer thread?

Can you link that thread. I would be interested what it says.