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Windows 7: How do I restore my File Permissions?

06 Jan 2017   #31
Lance1

Windows 7 Ultimate, Service Pack 1, 64 bit
 
 

I have Full Control and I'm the Owner of my C:\ And still the Special Permissions is grayed out. Time to start digging deep.




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06 Jan 2017   #32
Lance1

Windows 7 Ultimate, Service Pack 1, 64 bit
 
 

Alright I think I found it.. Short! I know I'm a scan reader. Sorry to the OP.. This article was written about Windows 2000 Administrator's Pocket Consultant by William R. Stanek. But it may still apply here. The link shows you what permissions are and how they work. You will be surprised about "Special Permissions" and where they apply.

Hope this helps out! If not.. We'll try again..


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06 Jan 2017   #33
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

As far as I can work out those "Special Permissions" can only be set for folders and files so you will not be able to access that feature in drive properties> security tab. I'm no permissions expert and could be wrong.

What I do know is that there is no point in changing permissions on anything unless you need to fix a specific problem or repair damage caused by malware that changed permissions. Permissions changes to the wrong files or directories causes all sorts of problems. I know this from taking ownership of directories in the past. Personally if I've got reason to change permissions I always make sure I can restore original permissions before going ahead and you can't easily do that with some popular permissions tools.

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Before you can edit any permissions, you have to have ownership of the file or folder. If the owner is another user account or a system account like Local System or TrustedInstaller, you won’t be able to edit the permissions.
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Don't mess about with it.

Take Ownership Shortcut

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WARNING, DO NOT TAKE OWNERSHIP of the C: drive!!

Doing so will mess up Windows 7 severely, and you will most likely end up having to reinstall Windows 7 to fix it.


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07 Jan 2017   #34
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

The way that I understand the "Special Permissions" is that when a user has permissions that do not "Fit" those of one of the Default Permission Sets, (Full Control, Read Etc), these are shown as Special Permissions. This is a lightweight version of the full permissions system used with Server Client Networking where many more user-groups are normally used with much more granular controls than in the Workgroup Systems used for Home and small business networks.

The excerpt from the Pocket Guide relates to the full blown permissions system, I remember that book well, much quicker to use than the Full tome. (which took up a large bookshelf in my office)

The presence of a folder with different permissions to the rest of the sub branch will also be shown with a Lock symbol
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07 Jan 2017   #35
Pyprohly

Windows 10, Windows 8.1 Pro, Windows 7 Professional, OS X El Capitan
 
 

‘Special permissions’ is supposed to be greyed out. It’s there to indicate that there are object-specific permission configurations which cannot be expressed through the basic permission view. Barman58 gives an more accurate alternate description:
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The way that I understand the "Special Permissions" is that when a user has permissions that do not "Fit" those of one of the Default Permission Sets, (Full Control, Read Etc), these are shown as Special Permissions.
This is precisely what the ‘Special permissions’ label stands for.

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As far as I can work out those "Special Permissions" can only be set for folders and files so you will not be able to access that feature in drive properties> security tab. I'm no permissions expert and could be wrong.
You are wrong. Although internally different things, folder and mount point objects seem to have the exact same set of access rights.

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Before you can edit any permissions, you have to have ownership of the file or folder. If the owner is another user account or a system account like Local System or TrustedInstaller, you won’t be able to edit the permissions.
Severely wrong. You only need the ‘Change permissions’ access right to change permissions settings on an item.


Barman58, by introducing this “Server Client Networking” you seem to be making a distinction regarding the availability of permissions which doesn’t exist. And I’ve never heard of the phrase “Server Client Networking” before.
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This is a lightweight version of the full permissions system used with Server Client Networking where many more user-groups are normally used with much more granular controls than in the Workgroup Systems used for Home and small business networks.

The excerpt from the Pocket Guide relates to the full blown permissions system, I remember that book well, much quicker to use than the Full tome. (which took up a large bookshelf in my office)
I’d like to see some direct quotes from this “Pocket Guide”. Users on any Windows networks do not have more “granular controls” than one would on a home version of Windows, at least not in sense of what permissions may be applied and their behaviour after that. You refer to some “full blown permissions system” which makes it seem like the pool of available access rights at one’s disposal is greater on a network. This isn’t the case. Permissions are a facet of the filesystem and while it’s NTFS, permissions are all the same.

I need you clarify this because I’m not convinced with anything that has been said at this point, in spite of presumably being backed by words from some textbook.

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The presence of a folder with different permissions to the rest of the sub branch will also be shown with a Lock symbol
This is a weak definition. If that were true there’d be locks left, right, and centre. There’d be a lock on every folder with even slightest permission alteration. If you create a folder on your desktop and add an access control entry, does it gain a lock? No. Also, files can have locks too.
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07 Jan 2017   #36
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

"Server-Client" or "Client server" is the alternative networking model to workgroup networking, the Peer to Peer system used when there is not a server available to control the issue and use of permissions.

In a large network Corporate /Government network there will be one, or many servers, Which as well as serving data, and possibly applications, controls the permissions available on all systems that are part of the network. this is a much more granular control than the workgroup windows model as the number of groups (collections of basic permissions) is a lot more. The number of base permisions is comparable in both models though the server model does contain some base permissions related to Active Directory and its structure and the interrelationships between the various levels of administrator.

There are standard user groups for things such as Backup Operators, application specialists, but others may be added such as Management, Accounts etc which allows any user to access the data and applications required for their work from any workstation. Also for example if an accountant leaves the company simply removing their user ID from the Accountants group protects the system from any damage to financial records by that account.

Seems simple with the number of users you have in an average home/SME network but is essential when dealing with thousands of users workstations and multiple servers over multiple sites.

This type of granularity is possible on the workgroup model but is so cumbersome without the tools and overview provided at a server that it is not really practical

No longer have the guide to quote from so have to rely on memory which over 35 years is not always clear
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07 Jan 2017   #37
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

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07 Jan 2017   #38
FirstShirt

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
 
 

Well now, I've received quite a good education regarding Special Permissions. Since I'm a very inquisitive type personality I often stick my nose into things better left alone. This appears to be one of those. . .

The list of persons providing assistance on this post is quite long so if you are one of the many, this applies to you. Please let me say a loud, "Thank You" to all who have provided me with this knowledge.

Now I shall press that sacred "Mark Solved" button!
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08 Jan 2017   #39
Pyprohly

Windows 10, Windows 8.1 Pro, Windows 7 Professional, OS X El Capitan
 
 

On account of the title, users who find this thread from the internet will most likely have arrived here expecting to find a means of restoring file permissions. Well, turns out I’m nearing completion of a project that will give users the ability to do so.

Will link the tutorial here when ready.
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08 Jan 2017   #40
FirstShirt

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
 
 

It sounds to me, Pyprohly, that you are a committed responder on this Fourm. Than's for going the "Extra Mile!"
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