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Windows 7: Slow (10 min) start-up BEFORE login screen

24 Apr 2017   #21
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

Here is another option.
Give this tutorial by Brink a good read.

Troubleshoot Application Conflicts by Performing a Clean Startup - Windows 7 Help Forums


Jack


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24 Apr 2017   #22
RProsser

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

johnhoh: thanks for this information. Much appreicated. I did what you suggested on the startup that took so long ... and the one that was quick. Two screen shots attached. I could not find a text export option.

Is hiberfil.sys supposed to be over 6Mb in size? Mine is.

I wonder why the reports are so different after a Safe Mode start, then restart to normal mode?

Thanks!


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Slow (10 min) start-up BEFORE login screen-bootlog-slow.jpg   Slow (10 min) start-up BEFORE login screen-bootlog-fast.jpg  
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24 Apr 2017   #23
johnhoh

Win7 pro x64
 
 

since you are on a desktop you might as well disable hibernation. That's what hiberfil is. you can delete that file and disable hibernation here...

Hibernate - Enable or Disable - Windows 7 Help Forums

btw it would not hurt to clean up your hard drive, with this command

start > run > %SystemRoot%\System32\Cmd.exe /c Cleanmgr /sageset:65535 & Cleanmgr /sagerun:65535 > check all > enter

based on the high number of very high duration procmon line items, I'm not sure this process monitor method is gonna bear fruit. Lets set it aside for now and maybe come back to it. Instead of just one or two real slow items, its as though everything is being slowed down. Based on safe mode being so much quicker, the first thing that comes to mind is you have a bad driver, since safe mode only uses basic drivers. Is your device manager clean? (sorry if you posted about it earlier). The video card is a common driver problem, so you might try updating your video driver to the basic windows vga driver, then reboot. If that does nothing, definitely try what Jack posted in #21 if you have not already
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25 Apr 2017   #24
RProsser

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnhoh View Post
... Instead of just one or two real slow items, its as though everything is being slowed down. Based on safe mode being so much quicker, the first thing that comes to mind is you have a bad driver, since safe mode only uses basic drivers. Is your device manager clean? (sorry if you posted about it earlier). The video card is a common driver problem, so you might try updating your video driver to the basic windows vga driver, then reboot. If that does nothing, definitely try what Jack posted in #21 if you have not already
Johnhoh: thanks for that. I did all you stated. There appear to be no drivers out-of-date. Note the attached. NVIDIA graphics card seems to be update. I am on a dual-monitor system and use Display Fusion to manage both desktops.

You are right though about everything being slowed down. But let me clarify.

- Start in Safe Mode: time to login screen = 45 sec
- Restart in normal mode: time to login screen = 49 sec
- Restart again in normal mode: time to login screen = 18 min (last reboot)

Question: Is it normal to take a couple of minutes to shut down with a restart command?

So, it's not just that Safe Mode loads with minimal drivers, it seems that something is triggered (loaded?) after normal restart happens the second time.

Oddly, I found a crash dump during the time yesterday I was having trouble. I attached it as a TXT file if anyone cares to review it for a clue.

Layback Bear: thanks. I will do that soon, but I cannot afford the time this morning if the restart takes 18 minutes as it did yesterday.

I'm perplexed, and if this keeps up much longer I will just have to buy a new machine (groan).


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File Type: txt MS Process Monitor64.exe.6592.dumpchk report.txt (52.2 KB, 2 views)
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25 Apr 2017   #25
johnhoh

Win7 pro x64
 
 

When restarting from safe mode, your system boots with a need to find and install specific (non-safe-mode) drivers. When you restart in normal mode, it already knows what drivers it needs. I'll have to think about what that means, why would windows be better at detecting and installing a driver than reloading an old driver, but a failing hard drive might do that, or a problem loading its IDE controller driver. What you might try is just like you loaded the basic VGA driver and rebooted (to no effect), try doing that with the IDE controller driver - replace your IDE driver in normal mode with the same driver that windows uses for safe mode. Then again the issue could be unrelated to this line of thinking. Recommend you follow Jack's idea, and also use msconfig to enable boot logging then check your event viewer after that.

Just realized your specs are incomplete. Would like to see motherboard and hard drive specs in detail.

System Info - See Your System Specs - Windows 7 Help Forums

fyi I can't read your screenshot. Probably best to save your screenshots in png mode and/or with much higher resolution
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25 Apr 2017   #26
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RProsser View Post

colander: FYI, at this point, I also checked Event Viewer and there are no changes to the data I posted earlier, which seems odd, i.e., no new entries.
Yes that does seem odd. Check that event log service is started and running.

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/window...e-not-starting

Also it's possible to clear event logs completely then see if they start to populate after a reboot.

Event Viewer One Click Clear - Windows 7 Help Forums

Personally I use this but it's not signed so you might get a prompt from security software:

Event Viewer One Click Clear - Page 8 - Windows 7 Help Forums

Some users reported that it doesn't work but it needs admin rights to run. I launch it from an elevated shortcut.

RE: ProcessMonitor boot logs. I've looked at those on my own machine and they do tend to be huge. Other members can give you an idea of what to look for.
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25 Apr 2017   #27
RProsser

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

johnho: Thanks. I updated my specs as instructed, also increased the device driver JPG to 1000px wide (was 500px) and also attached a screen shot JPG of the HD's health report via Defragger.

I will get to the other advice soon. : )


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Slow (10 min) start-up BEFORE login screen-device-manager.jpg   Slow (10 min) start-up BEFORE login screen-defrag-disc-data.jpg  
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25 Apr 2017   #28
johnhoh

Win7 pro x64
 
 

I would try booting with the USB disk drive unplugged. Then if that does not help, then boot into safe mode and look at the device manager IDE ATA controller section and compare it to the above jpeg. You'll see that it looks different, that it will not show any AMD line items when in safe mode. Make note of what drivers it does show, then boot normally so it goes back to showing your AMD line items within the IDE section, and right click your way into replacing those AMD drivers with same the generic ones you saw in safe mode, then reboot. If the reboot goes well you have determined that your hard drive is the problem.
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25 Apr 2017   #29
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Also worth a shot although it's a bit long winded.

Troubleshoot Application Conflicts by Performing a Clean Startup - Windows 7 Help Forums

EDIT: Sorry - already posted here:

Slow (10 min) start-up BEFORE login screen - Page 3 - Windows 7 Help Forums

EDIT 2: Also from your process monitor screenshot the only third party service shown is carbonite backup. Services or drivers are possible causes so maybe try excluding carbonite from starup?
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25 Apr 2017   #30
RProsser

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Callender View Post
EDIT 2: Also from your process monitor screenshot the only third party service shown is carbonite backup. Services or drivers are possible causes so maybe try excluding carbonite from starup?
Callender: thanks as usual for the input, but I'm confused (not the first time) -- Carbonite isn't involved in the restart-to-login-screen is it? Wouldn't that be after the login, which is not the issue?
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