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Windows 7: Slow (10 min) start-up BEFORE login screen

25 Apr 2017   #31
RProsser

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnhoh View Post
... and right click your way into replacing those AMD drivers with same the generic ones you saw in safe mode, then reboot. If the reboot goes well you have determined that your hard drive is the problem.
Hi. Thanks. I got most of that and did some basic looking around, i.e., I checked that all the IDE ATA/ATPI controller device dirvers in normal mode appear to be updated to the latest, but risking me effing-up a HD driver swap is a little above my pay grade. LOL

And I wish I could do this emperical testing, which would be fine if the machine booted within a couple of minutes, but if thigns go as they did yesterday, three reboots would cost me a little over an hour.


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25 Apr 2017   #32
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

I'm not exactly expert on boot sequence but as I understand it kernel mode loads services before login screen. I could be wrong!

There's a good article here:

Windows 7 Startup | Gizmo's Freeware

Seems to me that it's only reboot that is the problem so I reckon something must be hanging.

Try these tweaks. They won't fix any problem but see if it results in a faster reboot.

Fast shutdown tweaks including the three mentioned in Option 2 Step 5

Shut Down -Speed Up - Windows 7 Help Forums

RE: Carbonite: It shows in your ProcessMonitor boot log so as services can cause slow shutdown/ boot it was a guess on my part. It might be worth a shot but it's not guaranteed to be the problem.

Also when you have time consider running a disk check. It will need a reboot and might take quite a long time to complete:

Command is chkdsk /r /f including spaces. That checks all drives/ partitions.
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25 Apr 2017   #33
Callender

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

I reckon you are correct on Carbonite. It shouldn't run before logon screen.
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25 Apr 2017   #34
RProsser

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Just a quick not to say I tried the Clean Startup and turned some things off, and it seems to be behaving itself this afternoon, i.e., two restarts to normal mode in a row were under 2 minutes each. I did not have the time to track down every item in the startup and system, but perhaps I turned off the culprit. That, or it'll come back tomorrow. LOL

I will check-back if that happens.

Thanks! : )
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26 Apr 2017   #35
RProsser

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

PS: I neglected to add that along with the other things I tried in the last post, earlier in the day I had started to receive a series of pop-up errors indicating that a USB controller had problems. First message said it was reinstalling something USB related. That happened twice. Then, a bit later I got a message saying it has an error and is closing.

So ... I went to Device Manager, founded the problematic driver and simply removed it. I restarted the computer a bit later (twice actually), and both times the machine rebooted in short order. Fingers crossed.

No idea if a USB driver could cause issues, but maybe?

Thanks!
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26 Apr 2017   #36
johnhoh

Win7 pro x64
 
 

usb driver errors and usb device detection problems are pretty common, due to imperfect physical connections. See my post #28. VGA, DVI, RJ45, ps/2 - all those physical connector designs tend to produce perfect electrical paths forever. But a USB connection, especially since USB devices get unplugged and re-plugged back in so much, tend to deteriorate. Trying switching your usb device to a different usb port and the problem will likely disappear.
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26 Apr 2017   #37
RProsser

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

johnhoh: thank you as always.

Problem is though, this PC has six USB ports and I have no idea which one crapped out before restart.

The keyboard, mouse, peripherial drive all seem fine (back of PC), as does my plugged-in smart phone (front of PC).

Note the USB area of the Device Manager -- does that look normal to anyone?

Thanks : )


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26 Apr 2017   #38
johnhoh

Win7 pro x64
 
 

the drivers look fine, the problem is that sometimes it takes them 10 minutes to get to that state, lol. I'm operating under the premise that an imperfect port connection is your problem, and am guessing that the culprit is your usb drive, which is why I made the suggestion in post #28.

usbdeview is pretty cool for showing your usb devices, and will allow you to make a note of which port is currently connected to each device. It has 35 columns of detail for each usb device so the next time you get a usb driver error, that error will most likely reference one of those columns, and you'll know which device is crapping out. Nir Sofer is a guy who has written dozens of super useful non-invasive windows tools.

View any installed/connected USB device on your system
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26 Apr 2017   #39
Layback Bear

Windows 7 Pro. 64/SP-1
 
 

A process of eliminate things one at a time.
Keep your mouse and keyboard hooked up and unhook every other external gadget.
If things work as they should; plug on gadget in at a time and see how things go. (ect. ect. ect.)
I would suggest keeping your phone away from your computer until the problem is found. Hooking another device which has it's own operating system to your computer could cause your problem.

Jack
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26 Apr 2017   #40
RProsser

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Jack wrote: "I would suggest keeping your phone away from your computer until the problem is found. Hooking another device which has it's own operating system to your computer could cause your problem."

Wow ... had not thought of that. Very interesting!
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