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Windows 7: Windows 7 is EOL is near, what will you do?

24 Jan 2018   #21
torchwood

W7 home premium 32bit/W7HP 64bit/w10 tp insider ring
 
 

IM staying put.

Got another machine runnng 10 - IP
What i find incredulous is that MS takes the opinion they know whats best for us
(especially those using Home - they have taken away any real choice of user options/customisations)

BUT the biggest BUG of all
They keep depracting old equipement and therefor driver support for it, saw yesterday another example
Because of this the next Upgrade fails. an unsupported device/driver error code would be handy
As for drivers on supported equipement, sheeesh, my Wifi card originally on a W8 machine keeps getting thrown the wrong one, have to pull in an alledgedly unsigned one from within the system

Roy


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24 Jan 2018   #22
BenyaminL

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
Yes that's true

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BogdanH View Post
Just adding to my post above (for further consideration):

I made only six security updates for my Win7x64-SP1. Just after my post above, I decided to run two more updates: KB4056897 (meltdown patch) and KB4056894 (monthly security roll-up January 2018). And ques what.. Windows Explorer refuses to rename any folder at first attempt -rename succeeds after Try again.
After checking the web, someone found solution for that bug: I needed to remove certain registry keys -and it works so far. But who knows where else can/will I get "weird behavior".. maybe assuming I got some virus/malware. I refused to update Win7 for years and everything worked well. Now I made security(!) update and problem arise.
Btw. this bug is known for at least two years, but as it seems, MS doesn't care. Ok, one would think Win7 is an "old story". But going to Win10 forums one can see similar thing (bugged updates which fixes previous bug). My impression about MS... Over the years, generation there changed (sloppy programmers), philosophy changed, people in charge changed. They just shovel update after update and user accept them (thinking "one need to be up to date") without second though. And if PC doesn't work as expected (or used to), it's usually considered as "user's fault".
As I said in my post above: I have enough time to decide.. and it might be Linux as well.
Ah thanks for informing me such problem, I never encounter that kind of bug, so I don't really know to reproduce it, so it's find for me. I've been with linux for years, but the problem is my laptop isn't ready with linux, it's having proble with dedicated driver and power saving and some hotkeys that not working. The real problem is with the nVidia. It overheat alot, so in the end I stay with the OEM windows 7 and it stay there normaly and stable. I decided use linux on VMWare station, and if I don't run it, I just use git-bash with some tools on it for do my job hehehe.. it's great actually with linux flavor inside windows.... Windows 10 problem is constantly telemetry collecting intensive that cause the processor overheat and such.. that's very bad.


Anyway about meltdown patch, I heard that M$ doesn't recommend that people patch it, and I don't get the patch via windows update, that make me curious what really happen, since mine is sandy bridge intel processor..
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24 Jan 2018   #23
BenyaminL

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 
This's my concern, Security when on Windows 7

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
Use what ever Windows you care to use.
I use both Windows 10 and Windows 7.

I'm on Windows 7 at the present time on this computer and Windows 10 on the other computer, which is dual boot Windows 7 and Windows 10.
Windows 10 is a more secure operating system.

Jack
This's my real concern. If I still use windows 7 on the end of life, how to secure it anyway... and how to protect it if I'm a heavy usage internet guy and I don't use antivirus (well to be honest, antivirus sometimes ****ing with my compiling especially when using visual studio even I've white list it..) and I use USB also, hahaha.... most of the time. I don't want to do dual booting or such.. it's pain in the ass anyway..
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25 Jan 2018   #24
simon10362

Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
 
 

Its security depends on you, the item between the chair and the keyboard.

I've been using AV-less systems for I don't even remember how long now. Over 5 years at least. And during that time I've not gotten anything resembling a virus.

There were some stuff that I profylactically checked for and was discovered as malware but even that was a false-positive IIRC.

Me personally, will be staying on Win7 for as long as possible. It's MS last decent OS and seemingly the last decent kernel aswell[6.1.7601, Vista.1 bois ], Win 8 - 8.1 - 10 introduced certain features that some programs and my mainboard seemingly don't like. It's minor in the bug-sense but extremely annoying from the users perspective. (In some programs the cursor randomly resets its position time to time etc.)
Plus the damn things are spying on you. And there's a simple rule of thumb here. If the product is for free, then it aint the product, you are.
That OS is highly the most backdoored OS to date. Pretty sure of that. Windows 7 might still have some as well, but considering its age and the amount of 3rd party work done on investigating it, most of the stuff seems to have been ironed out.
Just make sure you don't really use any proprietary applications on them if security and privacy is involved. A good example being bitlocker. Never store anything you dearly care about in the cloud without it being securely encrypted with open-source and popular products.

My 2 cents.
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27 Jan 2018   #25
BenyaminL

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by simon10362 View Post
Its security depends on you, the item between the chair and the keyboard.

I've been using AV-less systems for I don't even remember how long now. Over 5 years at least. And during that time I've not gotten anything resembling a virus.

There were some stuff that I profylactically checked for and was discovered as malware but even that was a false-positive IIRC.

Me personally, will be staying on Win7 for as long as possible. It's MS last decent OS and seemingly the last decent kernel aswell[6.1.7601, Vista.1 bois ], Win 8 - 8.1 - 10 introduced certain features that some programs and my mainboard seemingly don't like. It's minor in the bug-sense but extremely annoying from the users perspective. (In some programs the cursor randomly resets its position time to time etc.)
Plus the damn things are spying on you. And there's a simple rule of thumb here. If the product is for free, then it aint the product, you are.
That OS is highly the most backdoored OS to date. Pretty sure of that. Windows 7 might still have some as well, but considering its age and the amount of 3rd party work done on investigating it, most of the stuff seems to have been ironed out.
Just make sure you don't really use any proprietary applications on them if security and privacy is involved. A good example being bitlocker. Never store anything you dearly care about in the cloud without it being securely encrypted with open-source and popular products.

My 2 cents.
It's very interesting thing happen here. Hahaha... I dunno, but for me, I really think one thing. MS trying making more money. And that's a big problem. Back to the point. I really Think that if I could. I want to stick with windows 7 until my computer completely broken, or there's a breakthrough in CPU or such. Nowdays computer isn't going faster in term on computation, it just going better on using power.... Just that things across my mind :)) (* I also consider buying new laptop, but for now with 16gigs of ram it's quite enough to do anything even heavy computation<i5-2430m> and with many opened chrome tabs, opened VM with server on it, VS Studio, VS Code and word precessor sometimes presentation and spressheet. It never hits 15gb, sometimes, but never until 16gb... So the machine is works welll.. That's quite a thing.. Even it's DDR3L, but the new laptop isn't quite good enough...)

Thanks for supporting for never use antivirus :V awkakwa...
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28 Jan 2018   #26
Layback Bear

Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64
 
 

From post # 25 by BenyaminL

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MS trying making more money. And that's a big problem
Why in the world is Microsoft making money a bad thing?
If Microsoft doesn't make money we don't have any operating system.

Why would any company spend "billions of dollars" not to make money?

Jack
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30 Jan 2018   #27
TechnoMage2016

Windows 7 Ultimate, SP1, x86
 
 

Dang! I already have every operating system since DOS 6.22....so why would I want to keep giving money to MS? As the 'Robot' said, "That does not Computer, Will Robinson!"

So what will I do when Windows 7 hits its EOS? Absolutely Nothing, just like I did when Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME and Windows XP hit their respective EOS's.

EOS means nothing to the happy user of any OS.

Just sayin'
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30 Jan 2018   #28
MSClin

Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit, Linux Mint 19.0 Xfce 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TechnoMage2016 View Post
EOS means nothing to the happy user of any OS.
When the extended support expire and critical vulnerabilities show up (if any), you will be exposed to big risk, all depending on how critical the vulnerabilities are. It's always better to use up-to-date OS, every advanced user which takes care of his stuff know this.
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30 Jan 2018   #29
JoWazzoo

Windows 7 Pro 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TechnoMage2016 View Post
Dang! I already have every operating system since DOS 6.22....so why would I want to keep giving money to MS? As the 'Robot' said, "That does not Computer, Will Robinson!"

Just sayin'
LMAO - I am in a similar boat but go back a bit further - DOS 1.x and Windows 1.x. I changed OS when I felt like it - not when FORCED by M$. The only M$ OS I missed was Vista.

Only real problem in 30 + years, scores of OSes and multiple scores of machines was when my 13 YO daughter got click-happy and DLed some real nasty. Took me 5 days, but I got it solved before the AV companies had a fix.

Happy Win 7 user til the end. BTW - I use 8.1 and 10 on my wife's machines. They both stink. Especially 8.1.
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30 Jan 2018   #30
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x3, Ubuntu
 
 

When Windows 7 reaches EOL I will do absolutely nothing, the same as I've done with many other EOL software packages, I have always moved on to the next in the long line, long before any package has reached EOL,

Have not used Windows 7 for any critical processes for several years,

When I have to use it for support purposes I find it very dated,

I started using it before it reached Beta level and enjoyed the look and feel especially when compared to the awful XP Luna Interface, But Seven's time has past
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