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Windows 7: Have to keep rebuilding my indexing - Search stops working

03 Feb 2018   #21
JoWazzoo

Windows 7 Pro 64
 
 

@Anak

Good advice on CCleaner. One time all my Restore points got wiped out. Finally tracked it back to a NEW install of CC which had in fact set as default cleaning Restore points. I had no clue. They changed that setting to unchecked in a later version. Now when I use CC I always check ALL settings.


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03 Feb 2018   #22
Anak

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I think I remember that uproar or maybe it's the one where avast bought piriform then almost 2months to the day later Ccleaner had the malware problem. Coincidence?

Piriform Timeline


Still good lindalo?
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03 Feb 2018   #23
lindalo5032

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Anak View Post

Still good lindalo?
It's working today! So far, so good!

Thanks for checking with me
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03 Feb 2018   #24
Anak

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..My pleasure.
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13 Feb 2018   #25
lindalo5032

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 
One Week Later . . .

Hello Anak,

Everything has gone fine until today with my indexing through Sunday, 2/11/18. I didn't try Monday or Tuesday, but today it's not working. I found a couple of errors as shown below:

Log Name: Application
Source: Microsoft-Windows-WMI
Date: 2/12/2018 12:35:18 PM
Event ID: 10
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: LINDA-PC
Description:
Event filter with query "SELECT * FROM __InstanceModificationEvent WITHIN 60 WHERE TargetInstance ISA "Win32_Processor" AND TargetInstance.LoadPercentage > 99" could not be reactivated in namespace "//./root/CIMV2" because of error 0x80041003. Events cannot be delivered through this filter until the problem is corrected.
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
<System>
<Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-WMI" Guid="{1edeee53-0afe-4609-b846-d8c0b2075b1f}" EventSourceName="WinMgmt" />
<EventID Qualifiers="49152">10</EventID>
<Version>0</Version>
<Level>2</Level>
<Task>0</Task>
<Opcode>0</Opcode>
<Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>
<TimeCreated SystemTime="2018-02-12T18:35:18.000000000Z" />
<EventRecordID>1483648</EventRecordID>
<Correlation />
<Execution ProcessID="0" ThreadID="0" />
<Channel>Application</Channel>
<Computer>LINDA-PC</Computer>
<Security />
</System>
<EventData>
<Data>//./root/CIMV2</Data>
<Data>SELECT * FROM __InstanceModificationEvent WITHIN 60 WHERE TargetInstance ISA "Win32_Processor" AND TargetInstance.LoadPercentage &gt; 99</Data>
<Data>0x80041003</Data>
</EventData>
</Event>

And this one about the backup:

Log Name: Application
Source: Windows Backup
Date: 2/11/2018 7:05:54 PM
Event ID: 4104
Task Category: None
Level: Error
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: LINDA-PC
Description:
The backup was not successful. The error is: There is not enough space on this drive to save the backup. Free up space by deleting older backups and unnecessary data or change your backup settings. (0x81000005).
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
<System>
<Provider Name="Windows Backup" />
<EventID Qualifiers="0">4104</EventID>
<Level>2</Level>
<Task>0</Task>
<Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>
<TimeCreated SystemTime="2018-02-12T01:05:54.000000000Z" />
<EventRecordID>1483518</EventRecordID>
<Channel>Application</Channel>
<Computer>LINDA-PC</Computer>
<Security />
</System>
<EventData>
<Data>There is not enough space on this drive to save the backup. Free up space by deleting older backups and unnecessary data or change your backup settings. (0x81000005)</Data>
<Binary>05000081CB0500003F0900005B090000420ED1665C2BEE174B64529CB14610EA71000000</Binary>
</EventData>
</Event>


Not sure what the first one means.
Obviously, I still haven't done anything about my Seagate external drive being full, but thinking this probably doesn't affect the indexing problem?

Your thoughts would be very much appreciated!
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13 Feb 2018   #26
Anak

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I was wondering how you were doing....

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lindalo5032 View Post
Hello Amak,

Everything has gone fine until today with my indexing through Sunday, 2/11/18. I didn't try Monday or Tuesday, but today it's not working. I found a couple of errors as shown below:

Not sure what the first one means.


Your thoughts would be very much appreciated!
Hi!

This has been the longest you've been able to run without the Index fouling eh? But lets not forget your adjustments to the Index may have also had a bearing on the longevity.
Before I explain, have you checked if somehow the STAS service has restarted itself? Sometimes these OEM machines have a mind of their own and reset to what they think is important. If it has we'll have to work on making it permanent. Post #9 shows how to get there to check. Can you check to see if STAS is in your startup? Startup Programs - Change

Now; The first one is a permissions event. According to this: Event ID 10 is logged in the Application log It says it can be safely ignored but it deals with the WMI and it may have a bearing on managing your seagate HDD (hard disk drive) and Idexing.

You would have to create and run the script. To make it a bit easier I set up the script into a file below.
  • Save the file to your desktop.
WMI Workaround.vbs
  • At the CMD Prompt enter: cd %userprofile%\Desktop and press Enter to change the directory. You should see your userprofile name\Desktop, i.e. C:\users\Linda-PC\Desktop>
  • Now enter WMI Workaround.vbs and press Enter to run it.
It should take a minute or so to run and it's up to you if you want to restart your machine, as for myself I would.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lindalo5032 View Post
Obviously, I still haven't done anything about my Seagate external drive being full, but thinking this probably doesn't affect the indexing problem?

Description:
The backup was not successful. The error is: There is not enough space on this drive to save the backup. Free up space by deleting older backups and unnecessary data or change your backup settings. (0x81000005).
Obviously, but affecting the indexing problem? My jury is still out on that. You're dealing with a lot of folders and files, I've lost track does your seagate have a sync program, what make (blue, pink, silver?)/model is it?

Do you believe you'd be up to posting a screenshot of the disk management on that seagate? How to do it is here: Disk Management - Post a Screen Capture Image Before you use the snipping tool make sure the seagate is plugged in and recognized just as if you're getting ready to do a backup.

That's it for now...


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14 Feb 2018   #27
lindalo5032

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

[QUOTE=Anak;3376716]Hi!

Before I explain, have you checked if somehow the STAS service has restarted itself? Sometimes these OEM machines have a mind of their own and reset to what they think is important. If it has we'll have to work on making it permanent. Post #9 shows how to get there to check. Can you check to see if STAS is in your startup? Startup Programs - Change

Anak,

First of all, thank you very much, again. I think I may be a little lost on the above. This is what I did:
Under Services, windows search, status - started, startup type - manual, local system. Not sure if this answers your question?

Where I really got lost was checking the startup for STAS. I did system config, startup tab, didn't find anything that said STAS. Maybe that's a good thing?

As far as the Seagate (which is blue, BTW), at this point, I'm willing to completely remove it and see if that helps with the indexing problem. I can let Dell do the backup thing or get another external backup.

In the meantime, I went ahead and rebuilt my index again because I had to get some work done and needed my indexing. It really doesn't take very long to rebuild since I changed the search parameters. This may be the easiest way for me to address the problem. Although since I did that, it may very well put us back to square one as far as researching the problem.

Anyway, your thoughts are greatly appreciated, as always.
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14 Feb 2018   #28
Anak

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Linda I'm going to interspace my colored answers after your replies within the quote.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lindalo5032 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Anak View Post
Hi!

Before I explain, have you checked if somehow the STAS service has restarted itself? Sometimes these OEM machines have a mind of their own and reset to what they think is important. If it has we'll have to work on making it permanent. Post #9 shows how to get there to check. Can you check to see if STAS is in your startup? Startup Programs - Change
Anak,

First of all, thank you very much, again. I think I may be a little lost on the above. This is what I did:
Under Services, windows search, status - started, startup type - manual, local system. Not sure if this answers your question?

Your welcome; You did well grasshopper. As long as STAS was still manual and local system, that was what we wanted.


Where I really got lost was checking the startup for STAS. I did system config, startup tab, didn't find anything that said STAS. Maybe that's a good thing?

Again you did well; That not finding STAS in startup is a good thing, once we get the indexing to calm down you can make a decision on backups and maybe turn STAS and toaster back on.


As far as the Seagate (which is blue, BTW), at this point, I'm willing to completely remove it and see if that helps with the indexing problem. I can let Dell do the backup thing or get another external backup.

You can do that to see if it helps. If you let dell handle it there's two ways. You could leave STAS on manual and it will run when you invoke it or you can go back in services to change STAS back to the setting it was before you changed it. What was that, Auto? I believe Auto would allow unattended scheduled backups like while you're out or asleep.

Ya know, a new 4TB seagate would be around $110USD https://Seagate Desktop HDD ST4000DM000 4TB | www.newegg.com

The numbers in your system specs indicate that you have a 1TB HDD, Have you ever done a diskcleanup on it? Disk Cleanup - Open and Use
If you're unsure of some of the categories ask.

With system restore points if you have ones that are to old you can do them through disk cleanup or System Protection Restore Points - Delete

This way offers more control. Click on system restore and in the next window you'll see a window to click next on.
Then you'll see the list of your machines points, in the lower left click on show more points and you'll see all the ones that are on the machine,
Have to keep rebuilding my indexing - Search stops working-sr2.png

Have to keep rebuilding my indexing - Search stops working-sr3.png
I believe if you have ones that are more than a year old you can safely delete them, but it would be best to go over them, only you know what would be important. Highlight one by pointing at it then click on scan for affected programs to see if it's useful anymore, it may be associated with a program you need.

In the meantime, I went ahead and rebuilt my index again because I had to get some work done and needed my indexing. It really doesn't take very long to rebuild since I changed the search parameters. This may be the easiest way for me to address the problem. Although since I did that, it may very well put us back to square one as far as researching the problem.

Maybe not.


Anyway, your thoughts are greatly appreciated, as always.

Thank you.
You could try these index troubleshooters...
Fix and Repair broken Windows Search in Windows 10/8/7 easily

The Complete Guide to Fixing Windows 7 Search Indexing Issues

I put this in because it has a way to reset the index, but it involves the registry start at the blue contents bar


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15 Feb 2018   #29
lindalo5032

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

I discovered that my Dell backup & recovery is indeed still working. They just wanted me to get an update with more bells & whistles, which I will save for another time.

I did run the Dell B&R and it repaired some system files and did a backup. I discovered that this process changed my startup type back to automatic, and I left it there. I did get a message "cannot repair boot files" which, if that is a problem, I am not aware of it interfering with anything I do.

Then I disconnected my Seagate since it is mostly full and I wanted to see if that would affect my indexing problem.

So, again, it's wait and see if it stops working again. I'll let you know how that goes
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16 Feb 2018   #30
Anak

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If the message "cannot repair boot files" came while you were in the Dell B&R, that would mean there are corrupt boot files in that backup and most likely the restore function won't work.
  • Is this the first time you've seen that message?
  • Have you ever tried to restore your system with a backup?
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