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Windows 7: purchased larger monitor thinking I could have more windows open....

16 Apr 2018   #1
pleiades357

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 
purchased larger monitor thinking I could have more windows open....

I've seen large screens with normal size windows, for example, a normal size letter page... at 110% should be 8.5" x 11.0"
but... not working that way,
my new LG 32MP58HQ - P just super sizes every window...

nice screen but... windows are larger, large icons, large text in windows, reducing size means loss of clarity
LG's story that splitting the screen results in normal size fonts, does not seem to work
worse, splitting the screen means I can't size the window open, it fills the divided section and that is the only choice...

settings for the recommended 1920 x 1080
aspect ratio at smallest, 100%

I've seen large screens with normal size windows, for example, a normal size letter page...

what setting have I not found?

windows 7


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16 Apr 2018   #2
Ranger4

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit sp1
 
 

A larger screen just means a bigger image. You don't get any more icons on a bigger screen. It's the same as a bigger TV, same image as a smaller screen but much bigger so you can sit further away & still see small items & print.

With the larger monitor you can have more split screens open & still see the info on each, which is difficult on a small screen.

You should be able drag the open split screen windows, by moving the mouse to the edge of the one you want to enlarge & dragging it. You will have to reduce the size of the other by the same method or the larger one might cover part of the smaller one.

If you really want to have more windows open & each completely separate you need 2 or more monitors.
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17 Apr 2018   #3
dg1261

Windows 7/8.1/10/XP multiboot
 
 

Pleiades,

Your question suggests you don't quite have a grasp of the relationship between screen size and screen resolution. Resolution (number of horizontal and vertical pixels) determines how much content you can display on the screen. Screen size determines how much physical space that content will occupy.

A 24" 1920x1080 monitor and a 32" 1920x1080 monitor will show exactly the same amount of content, but the 32" monitor will spread that content out across a larger physical area. Text and icons will all be larger, but there will be the same amount of text and the same number of icons on both monitors, even though one monitor is much larger.

In contrast, a 27" 3840x2160 monitor will show four times as much content (twice as much vertically and twice as much horizontally) as a 32" 1920x1080 monitor. That content, however, will be much tinier--partly because there's a lot more content, and partly because the 27" screen covers less physical space.

Whenever you opt for a larger monitor, the tradeoff is always going to be content amount vs. physical size. If the text on your old monitor was too small to read, get a larger monitor but don't go up on the resolution. If the text size isn't a problem but you want more stuff on the screen, get a larger monitor with a higher resolution. It depends on what your reason is for buying the larger monitor in the first place.

It sounds like you didn't get the monitor you wanted. You wanted more resolution, but got one with the same resolution as you already had, just in a larger package. Perhaps you can return the 32MP58HQ and replace it with a better choice for your purposes.

Take a look at the Amazon listing for your monitor, and scroll down to the table comparing five monitors. You'll note the other four have higher resolutions. Even the two 27" monitors have higher resolutions--of course, everything will appear less than half the size of what it looks like on the 32MP58HQ, but there will be a lot more of it.

Note the 34UM68 takes a kind of middle ground approach--the same amount of content vertically but one-third more content horizontally.

Note I'm not saying that page shows your only choices; there are many high resolution monitors from other manufacturers, as well. I'm just using that LG chart for illustration.
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17 Apr 2018   #4
pleiades357

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ranger4 View Post

You should be able drag the open split screen windows, by moving the mouse to the edge of the one you want to enlarge & dragging it. You will have to reduce the size of the other by the same method or the larger one might cover part of the smaller one.

If you really want to have more windows open & each completely separate you need 2 or more monitors.
the LG split screen option is really very limited, each section will only take one window per section, maybe there is a way to make this work but I asked it it made each section act like a separate screen... it doesn't, I still have the same super size, it just makes a line each Word or Excel page fills, no reducing it meaning as I move windows while I work with them I have to continually choose a new "shape" for the splits....
I'm finding that clumsy....
but, new with it

thanks for the info!
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17 Apr 2018   #5
pleiades357

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

[QUOTE=dg1261;3385107]Pleiades,

Your question suggests you don't quite have a grasp of the relationship between screen size and screen resolution. Resolution (number of horizontal and vertical pixels) determines how much content you can display on the screen. Screen size determines how much physical space that content will occupy.
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If the text size isn't a problem but you want more stuff on the screen, get a larger monitor with a higher resolution. It depends on what your reason is for buying the larger monitor in the first place."""""

that was the concept.....
and, that was what I asked about in the store...
purchased at the Microcenter... does not say "no return" on the receipt, probably will

I'm disappointed in the fuzzy quality of text with Word and Excel documents... but, add that to what I don't know... would greater resolution make that more clear? my other LG text was pretty sharp at 75% and smaller, on this screen, smaller percentages of view become very fuzzy... or... is it a quality in Word and Excel I may see on any larger screen....

pictures are not clear at a size that appear clear on the smaller screen...

Q, if another screen like my older... might work, what does my computer need to have to work with two screens? can I drag and drop from one to the other? though, one screen might fit better...

thanks!

I should have asked here (sevenforums) first.... Microcenter is a long drive...
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17 Apr 2018   #6
pleiades357

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

old monitor...


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17 Apr 2018   #7
pleiades357

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

I called MicroCenter, no problem with exchange...

rep suggested a wide screen like
LG 29WK600-W 29" IPS WFHD HDR LED Monitor 29WK600-W - Micro Center


I really appreciate the help!
I've learned a lot over the years, but... often overwhelming...
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17 Apr 2018   #8
dg1261

Windows 7/8.1/10/XP multiboot
 
 

Your questions cover several different topics. Let's start by making sure you've got a firm grasp on the relationship between screen size and resolution. I've put together the attached graphic to help show you a relative comparison of five LG monitors. (Zoom in to get a better view.)

Your old W2353 is represented at the bottom. It is a 23" 1920x1080 monitor.

The new 32MP58 you bought is shown above it. It is a 32" 1920x1080 monitor. Note is has the same amount of content down and across, but everything is larger. That wasn't exactly what you wanted.

The 27UD68 is from the Amazon link I posted earlier. It is a 27" 3840x2160 monitor. Note it has twice as much content across and twice as much down, but everything is tiny--even smaller than on your old W2353.

The 29WK600 is the one most recently recommended to you, and I think it's a pretty good option. It is a 29" 2560x1080 monitor. It has the same amount of content vertically as your W23, but one-third more across. Furthermore, the content will appear onscreen about the same size as your W23. Both have the same 0.26mm pixel pitch (the size of its pixels).

The 34UC98 is also from the earlier Amazon link. It is a 34" 3440x1440 monitor, and is the widest of the bunch. It's got more content in both directions than the 23, 29, and 32-inch monitors, but not as much in either direction as the 27-incher. As a result, content is not quite as tiny as the 27" model, and is fairly close to the 23" and 29" models. It's 0.23mm pixel pitch is almost as large as the W23 and 29WK, though substantially smaller than the 0.36mm pixels on the 32MP.

Another factor in the 29WK600's favor is it is almost exactly the same height as your W2353. With the same height, vertical resolution, and pixel pitch, this makes it attractive for running dual monitors side-by-side.


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17 Apr 2018   #9
dg1261

Windows 7/8.1/10/XP multiboot
 
 

I'm not sure where you're getting those ratios ("100%" and "110%" in post #1, and "75%" in post #5). In Control Panel->Display->Screen Resolution you can drop down to lower resolutions, but that makes everything larger, so I'm not sure if that's where you were. That's never a good idea, though. You always want Windows to use the monitor's native resolution.

In Control Panel->Display->"Make text larger or smaller" you can adjust things to larger than 100%. That helps a little if the text is normally too small to read comfortably, but I don't recommend going above about 110% or so. The result can be weird side effects like text spilling over the border of windows or dialog boxes, for instance.

To minimize fuzziness, always run at the monitor's native resolution. If text is supposed to be 9 pixels high, you want Windows to paint it across 9 pixels. Trying to shoehorn it into fewer pixels or stretch it across more pixels forces the display driver to interpolate, resulting in even more jagged lines or deformed letters.

To deal with jaggedness, Windows uses anti-aliasing techniques to make things appear smoother. That means it fiddles with adjacent pixels to make the jagged edges less noticeable.

Take a look at the attached graphic for an illustration.

The two small characters are 9 pixels high, but if you look closely you may notice more jagged edges on the leftmost letter. The second letter uses anti-aliasing to make the lines appear a tad heavier and smoother. This is done by fuzzing the lines a bit, but normally it's more pleasing to the eye if you don't look too closely.

The two large letters are the same two small letters, but magnified 5 times. When magnified like this, you can see the effect of the anti-aliasing. You can also see that it results in fuzzier characters.

That brings us back to your comparison of your 23" monitor with the 32" monitor. The 32" monitor is, to a degree, magnifying the impression of the anti-aliasing technique--not as bad as 5 times, but at least a little. It's like looking at your 23" monitor but moving in real close to the screen. Of course, when you do that, even the 23" is not going to look as sharp as it does from normal viewing distance.

IOW, from the same viewing distance the 23" will seem sharper than the 32" (given that the two monitors here have the same resolution), but if you move further away the 32" should look just as good.

FTR, Windows allows you to adjust how aggressively it handles anti-aliasing. That's under the Control Panel setting to "Adjust ClearType text". It walks you through a few screens whereby you can give Windows a sense for how much fuzzing looks best to you, given your specific monitor and viewing environment.


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17 Apr 2018   #10
dg1261

Windows 7/8.1/10/XP multiboot
 
 

To use two monitors, your hardware must of course support that. If your computer is using a graphics adapter built into your CPU or motherboard, it's likely you only have one video port. If that's the case, you may be able to install another video card. There are also external video adapters that plug into a USB port.

The first image below shows an old computer with three video ports--one on the motherboard and two on an add-in card. Some motherboards will allow you to run one monitor on an add-in card at the same time as another on the built-in port, while other motherboards may disable the on-board port if an add-in card is detected. Many add-in cards have dual ports on them, and may let you use both at the same time.

Just for kicks, the second photo below shows four monitors running off one laptop. The laptop is of course driving its own built-in screen, one monitor is plugged into the laptop's external video port, and the other two are connected to this dual-monitor USB graphics adapter, plugged into the laptop's USB port.

Ideally, if you're settings up dual monitors it would be nice to put them on a dual monitor stand. That provides flexibility to juxtapose the monitors in the most convenient arrangement. Unfortunately, your old monitor is not VESA Mount compliant, so it doesn't have the screw holes on the back to line up with the mounting brackets. IOW, in your case you'd be on your own to cobble together some way to position the two monitors how you want them.


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