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Windows 7: Windows 7 not starting at all

15 Aug 2018   #11
MrZork

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SP 1 (Version 6.1.7601)
 
 

Okay, I am running SIW2's tool and it looks like it is almost done. That will leave me with a folder with the contents of an up-to-date Win 7 installation disk. I will use the included CreateISO.cmd tool to turn that into an ISO and then I will use the built-in Win10 (I am still on my laptop) tool to create a DVD from that ISO.

Is the next step to pop that DVD into my stricken Win7 machine, boot from the DVD, and then run a Repair Install?

(Apologies if this seems like a silly question. I just want to make sure I am not jumping ahead to the wrong step because I made a poor assumption somewhere. I'd like to get my Win 7 machine back online with minimal risk of messing something up and being stuck with a re-installation as my only option.)


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15 Aug 2018   #12
Paul Black

7 HP SP1 64-bit Vista HB SP2 32-bit Linux Mint 18.3
 
 

Hi MrZork,

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MrZork View Post
Okay, I am running SIW2's tool and it looks like it is almost done. That will leave me with a folder with the contents of an up-to-date Win 7 installation disk. I will use the included CreateISO.cmd tool to turn that into an ISO and then I will use the built-in Win10 (I am still on my laptop) tool to create a DVD from that ISO.
You will need to check the size of the newly created ISO. If you only updated ONE image then it might fit onto a DVD. If you updated ALL the images then it will definately need to be burnt onto a USB.

I hope this helps!
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15 Aug 2018   #13
MrZork

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SP 1 (Version 6.1.7601)
 
 

Thanks for that heads up. The ISO is 4.7 GB, so I will burn it to a USB stick.

Am I correct that the next step is to boot the Win 7 PC from that USB stick and run a Repair Install?
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15 Aug 2018   #14
MrZork

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SP 1 (Version 6.1.7601)
 
 

I am somewhat confused right now. I burned the ISO to a USB stick and, after making a couple of adjustments to my PC's BIOS, I got something to happen when I booted. I am *not* sure that it ever booted from the USB stick. When I interrupted the boot during the BIOS screen (hitting the Del key) and explicitly said to boot from the USB stick, there were a few seconds of pausing and blank cursors showing up near the upper-left corner of the screen, and then I was kicked back to the BIOS screen.

But, when I set the first boot device to be the USB stick (meaning that it would eventually try to boot from the SSD) and let the boot run without interruption, I got to a screen that said "Windows failed to start. A recent hardware or software..." and eventually "Launch Startup Repair (recommended)" or "Start Windows Normally". I tried the former 3 times. Each time, I got "Windows is loading files" and then a "System Recovery Options" widget that let me choose a US keyboard. When I hit Next, I got an error widget saying, "This version of System Recovery Options is not compatible with the version of Windows you are trying to repair. Try using a recovery disc that is compatible with this version of Windows." Then, I click OK and the PC reboots.

Eventually, I chose, "Start Windows Normally" and Windows started right up. I have removed the USB stick and rebooted several times and everything seems back to normal.

While things seem to be running, I have created a system repair disc. And, I am creating a system image from the Backup and Restore area of the Control Panel.

I know better than to think everything is fixed. I worry that, since no actual repair ever seemed to successfully complete, I will eventually try to reboot at some point and be hosed again.

Short of re-installing, is there some way that I can check that all of the Windows files for rebooting are set up correctly to minimize the chances of this happening again?
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15 Aug 2018   #15
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

If you just copy the iso files to the USB stick, I'm quite sure you didn't boot from it.
There are 2 ways to boot from the usb stick. Legacy - MBR and UEFI - GPT.
To boot the USB stick as MBR you must load the MBR on it. Use https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down....aspx?id=56485
To Boot the USB stick as UEFI you must add \efi\boot.
To make a UEFI boot able USB flash disk is very simple.
- Format the USB flash disk as Fat32
- Copy all win 7 64 installation disk to the USB flash disk.
- Copy the boot folder to /Efi/boot
https://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...rting-boot.zip



The USB flash disk will ONLY boot as UEFI as it doesn't have the MBR on it.


So fist question is: Is your 960 M.2 disk low formatted as legacy - MBR or UEFI - GPT?
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15 Aug 2018   #16
MrZork

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SP 1 (Version 6.1.7601)
 
 

I used Rufus 2.18 Portable to burn the ISO to the USB stick, using the option "Create a bootable disk using ISO image" and choosing the ISO that SIW2's tool had created. I guess I was assuming that that would create a bootable USB stick. However, I see that Rufus, by default, uses the NTFS file system when I do that. So, possibly, the USB stick was not bootable. FWIW, the root dir of the created USB stick looks like

Code:
D:\>dir
 Volume in drive D is Win7_INSTALL_NVME
 Volume Serial Number is 9428-E4E8

 Directory of D:\

08/15/2018  11:58 AM               122 autorun.inf
08/15/2018  11:58 AM    <DIR>          boot
08/15/2018  11:58 AM           383,786 bootmgr
08/15/2018  11:58 AM           669,568 bootmgr.efi
08/15/2018  11:58 AM    <DIR>          efi
08/15/2018  11:58 AM           106,768 setup.exe
08/15/2018  12:14 PM    <DIR>          sources
08/15/2018  12:15 PM    <DIR>          support
08/15/2018  12:15 PM    <DIR>          upgrade
               4 File(s)      1,160,244 bytes
                5 Dir(s)  11,119,489,024 bytes free
And the efi/boot folder looks like
Code:
 Directory of D:\efi\BOOT

08/15/2018  11:58 AM    <DIR>          .
08/15/2018  11:58 AM    <DIR>          ..
08/15/2018  11:58 AM           672,640 bootiax64
 08/15/2018  11:58 AM           672,640 bootmgfw.efi
So, the file whose link you posted seems to be there already.

But, it looks like I should re-create the installation USB stick as I did before, except as a Fat32. I will give that a shot.
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15 Aug 2018   #17
MrZork

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SP 1 (Version 6.1.7601)
 
 

Well, now Rufus is telling me that I can't use Fat32.
Windows 7 not starting at all-rufus_fat32_error.gif
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EDIT: I am going to try again using the Windows USB/DVD Download Tool to which you posted a link.


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15 Aug 2018   #18
Paul Black

7 HP SP1 64-bit Vista HB SP2 32-bit Linux Mint 18.3
 
 

Hi MrZork,

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MrZork View Post
The ISO that SIW2's tool had created. I guess I was assuming that that would create a bootable USB stick.
SIW2's tool, as far as I am aware of accomodates both Legacy - MBR and UEFI - GPT because of the way oscdimg.exe is setup in the script:

oscdimg.exe -bootdata:2#p0,e,b"%TP%\ISO\BOOT\etfsboot.com"#pEF,e,b"%TP%\ISO\BOOT\Efisys.bin" -m -u1 -udfver102 "%TP%\ISO" "%TP%\somenamex64.iso"

IMPORTANT: Make sure that you backup ALL your essential files before you do anything else. If anything goes wrong there might be a possibility that your Documents, Pictures, Music, Videos, Data Files and any installed software programs might get corrupted or deleted and become irretrievable.

I hope this helps!
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15 Aug 2018   #19
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

You didn't answer: Is your 960 M.2 disk low formatted as legacy - MBR or UEFI - GPT?

To create a UEFI boot able, you don't need Rufus, just copy the iso created to a FAT32 USB flash disk. Make sure it has \efi\boot.
During post, launch the boot menu (F8?) and choose UEFI USB flash disk.

What you're going to do with the Win 7 installation disk? Repair or reinstall.
Beware: To do a Win 7 repair install you must launch setup from Windows, not from a boot able disk.
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15 Aug 2018   #20
MrZork

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SP 1 (Version 6.1.7601)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Megahertz07 View Post
You didn't answer: Is your 960 M.2 disk low formatted as legacy - MBR or UEFI - GPT?
According to Disk Management, my C: drive (the Samsung 960 Pro) is GPT.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Megahertz07 View Post
To create a UEFI boot able, you don't need Rufus, just copy the iso created to a FAT32 USB flash disk. Make sure it has \efi\boot.
During post, launch the boot menu (F8?) and choose UEFI USB flash disk.
I am assuming that by "copy the ISO" you mean to create a USB stick with the files from the ISO, not the ISO file itself. I am re-creating that USB stick using the Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool now. Hopefully, it works this time.



EDIT: This failed. The Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool finished with a message that it copied files but was unable to make the device bootable. And, even though I formatted the drive as Fat32 before running the Tool, the USB stick is now NTFS. Perhaps, the ISO that SIW2's tool created is NTFS?


Attempting to reformat as Fat32 and just directly copy over the files that went into the ISO to the USB stick. Those files already have \efi\boot.


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Megahertz07 View Post
What you're going to do with the Win 7 installation disk? Repair or reinstall.
Beware: To do a Win 7 repair install you must launch setup from Windows, not from a boot able disk.
Honestly, I do not know. I was having the problem described in the first post in this thread. Windows seemed to be trying to do some sort of startup repair, but it wasn't working. I got to this point of recreating installation disks 1) hoping that it would clear up whatever issue was preventing my PC from booting and 2) because no one has told me that isn't the fix the problem.

I do not want to do a clean install of Windows. I want all of my data and (especially) software to remain functioning on the drive. I don't want to spend a week reinstalling all of the applications (MS Office, Matlab, Mathematica), utilities, games, and my own programs (many of which would require re-installing python packages and so on).

It may well be that the Repair Install isn't what I need at all. As I said, I would like to fix whatever was causing my PC not to boot at all and feel like I have made a reasonable effort to ensure it doesn't happen again and I don't spend days trying to get it to run again.
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