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Windows 7: Lenovo G585 Won't boot After Upgrading To SSD

05 Oct 2018   #21
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

A SSD works the same way a HDD does. The only difference would be the TRIM Trim (computing - Wikipedia)

- When you clone a HDD to a SSD the SSD will work as a HDD and it may have to adjust some settings. But it should work without any issues.
- With a clean install, deleting all partitions, you start from scratch and there is no explanations to not work.

When you say that, from Win 7 installation disk, it boots normally, I can only think of a bad MBR on the SSD.
You said that it was working fine on a desktop. On the desktop, was it the only drive? Was it low formatted as Legacy-MBR or UEFI-GPT?

Please download Crystal disk
You don't need to install. Just run it.


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05 Oct 2018   #22
Chris Nicola

Desktop Win 10 Pro 64 bit, Laptop Win 7 Home 64 bit
 
 

I appreciate the help from everyone. I can supply some further information.

1- The bios recognises the SSD. I have attached the report log from Crystal disk. The disk seems fine.
2- I have attached the screenshot from disk management.
3- I have attached the boot log file from the very slow boot.
4- I have attached the boot log file from the very fast boot. (please see below for the explanation)*. Both look boot log files identical. So I don't think the problem is with Windows drivers or the mbr.

*If I go to msconfig and select normal startup with all devices and drivers and I click to reboot to take effect, then it boots from the ssd into Windows in a few seconds.

Also, if I select reboot from a Windows 7 bootable CD it boots from the ssd and windows is loaded in a few seconds.

If I select shutdown and then press the power button on the laptop to start it appears to take forever.

So a software trigger to reboot is instant. So here is my question. What's the difference with starting up from the POWER BUTTON that makes the boot so slow with an SSD? (The power button works fine with a standard mechanical HDD)

Kind regards
Chris


Attached Images
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Attached Files
File Type: txt Crystal Disk Log.txt (7.4 KB, 2 views)
File Type: txt ntbtlog Fast.txt (38.2 KB, 2 views)
File Type: txt ntbtlog Slow.txt (37.6 KB, 2 views)
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05 Oct 2018   #23
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

If you start from a shut down it takes a long time. If it reboots (from win 7 or win 7 installation) it's fast. The main difference is the power supply state.
Is the SSD the fist option on BIOS boot option?
Is your laptop battery healthy?
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05 Oct 2018   #24
Chris Nicola

Desktop Win 10 Pro 64 bit, Laptop Win 7 Home 64 bit
 
 

Thanks for your reply. The SSD is first in the boot option list. Second is the CD and third is the network ethernet boot. The Laptop battery is old but decent. It can run for about 2 hours. I get the same problem even when the machine is plugged in with or without the battery installed.

Some more information.
Previously when I tried to restart from the windows start menu it would hang for 15 minutes while booting up. NOW the computer has been on for a while, restarting from the windows start menu is instant and it boots up fine.

Its only when I shut down and restart that I get the hang. So maybe the bios or the hardware is not starting up the ssd power correctly? But if I go into the bios it can see the SSD without any problems.


Kind regards
Chris
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05 Oct 2018   #25
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

What happens if you cold boot, during POST enter BIOS and then exit without saving?
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05 Oct 2018   #26
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Chris,

Just as an aside :

If you are thinking about upgrading the system listed in your specs, now may a good time to do it. That 775 motherboard and e5500 are well off the pace now. Depending where you live, you could replace mobo, cpu and ram for very little and get a bit jump in performance and function.
In the UK it can be done for as little as 55 ~approx 63 euro ~approx $73
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06 Oct 2018   #27
Chris Nicola

Desktop Win 10 Pro 64 bit, Laptop Win 7 Home 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Megahertz07 View Post
What happens if you cold boot, during POST enter BIOS and then exit without saving?
Thanks for suggesting this.

Experiment 1
Boot into bios, Immediately Exit without changes. Windows takes 15 minutes to start.

Experiment 2
Boot into bios, wait for 20 minutes, Exit without changes. Windows boots immediately.

We are getting closer to solving this mystery. It seems that the SSD needs 15 minutes to "warm up" on this motherboard before it can boot properly. This is an old laptop motherboard and the SSD is SATA 3. It appears that the motherboard may be supplying the wrong voltages to get it properly started. There is not much I can change in the BIOS. It gives me the option of changing the HD from AHCI to Compatible. And I also have the option of making a Hard Disk password. Apart from that there is not much else I can change in the BIOS relating to the HDD. I don't think there is a way to edit the SSD voltages. Can Crystal Disk do anything to change the way the SSD works?


Kind regards
Chris
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06 Oct 2018   #28
Vineet Garg

Windows 7 Ultimate x32 With Sp1 + Vista Ultimate x32 with Sp1 & Sp2 !!
 
 

Hi All,
Greets,
@Chris Nicola : Sir,

1. Perhaps this is odd ( Red Marked! ) :

Lenovo G585 Won't boot After Upgrading To SSD-disk-list.png

It sounds the storage emulation settings in bios has been selected as IDE which is poor & old but should not be a problem if your SSD is compatible with it! Mostly, IDE does not need storage controllers drivers support from operating systems & is good for legacy OSs , Xp & below. But I would not use that mode even for XP. I would enable at least AHCI & would slipstream AHCI storage drivers into XP SP3 Iso with nlite.
The odd thing is red marked & i would like to see the same Disk Management view with a boot from HDD!

2. When you clone a HDD to a SSD the SSD will work as a HDD and it may have to adjust some settings. But it should work without any issues.
- With a clean install, deleting all partitions, you start from scratch and there is no explanations to not work
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I agree with most of it but not word to word. As i know : when cloning & migrating from HDD to SSD with Macrium Reflect, one should clone/system image the HDD and then drag & drop the partitions to the SSD. The drag & drop itself sets everything right on the SSD as well.
Besides, I have seen many people switching to AHCI with SSD, even degrading from RAID, & run with success. Don't know why! But as your configuration is IDE, It should not be a problem until your SSD is backward compatible with it!
Apart from above, i agree with the fact that if you initiate clean installation on SSD, there should not be any reasons as to why SSD don't work!

3. I have attached the boot log file from the very slow boot.
I have attached the boot log file from the very fast boot. (please see below for the explanation)*. Both look boot log files identical. So I don't think the problem is with Windows drivers or the mbr.

Normally, One should not enable Fast Boot in bios with win7 & always set it to Normal/Full
Both look boot log files are not identical. They are 38 & 39 KB.
Can't say the problem is not due to drivers or bad mbr. May be your chipset and/or storage drivers. Did you try installing win 10 & win 8 ?

4. If I go to msconfig and select normal startup with all devices and drivers and I click to reboot to take effect, then it boots from the ssd into Windows in a few seconds.
Another major point : This seems critical. May be there is a component that is required & has been switched off from the startup. When you switch to normal startup, that driver or service is available & the boot is normal. So, make 'Normal Startup' default, Restart, Shut Down & do Cold Start. How is the Cold Start now ? Don't mix it with reboot!

5. Also, if I select reboot from a Windows 7 bootable CD it boots from the ssd and windows is loaded in a few seconds.
If I select shutdown and then press the power button on the laptop to start it appears to take forever
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Earlier you were mixing Reboot with Normal Startup & now with bootable CD!
I could only make out that a Cold Start is taking too much time as you say forever & a reboot is always faster & flying. Don't mix bootable cd with reboot, at a time it is either booting from bootable CD or SSD! To avoid any confusions : Boot into SSD, Eject the bootable medias ( CD/DVD/USB drive ) and then restart & check the duration. To say again disable Fast Boot & select Normal Boot according to your motherboard options. As i know, windows 7 is not compatible with Fast Boot & i don't know how it can complicate with SSD.
Besides, you should disable the in-built Disk Defragmentation utility & may be some other things with SSD But i think that's a later part.

6.What's the difference with starting up from the POWER BUTTON
Perhaps here is an answer :
Reboot - Wikipedia
Perhaps as said by Megahertz07 ,
The main difference is the power supply state
May power be a problem ? Can't say. You can try putting win 7 on high performance power plan. & disabling power saving settings in Bios and/or device manager if any. But, before changing power settings in bios there are surely some other things to take into account first. You can try High Performance Power plan in windows 7.
To say again : Don't mix/confuse cold/warm boot with other factors & give things try/consider independently.

Let us know if anything is there we can help you with!

Thanks & Regards. ...


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06 Oct 2018   #29
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

It called my attention but on my computer my disks are also UNKNOWN. Don't think it's the problem.
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06 Oct 2018   #30
Chris Nicola

Desktop Win 10 Pro 64 bit, Laptop Win 7 Home 64 bit
 
 

Thank you Vineet and Megaherts07 for your replies. The SSD is set to AHCI in the BIOS. Its the CD drive that is set to IDE by default. Setting the Windows power plan to High makes no difference. A cold start from the SSD stalls for 15 minutes before Windows is loaded (that's the ntbtlog slow file). A reboot starts Windows instantly (that's the ntbtlog fast file). MSCONFIG is always set to normal startup.

I am thinking to contact the SSD manufacturer to see if they have any idea what's going on. It appears that this particular SSD is incompatible with the motherboard or the bios. It appears to be in some "idle" state and needs 15 minutes to "warm up" before it can boot Windows from a cold start. Maybe an older SSD will work but its not really worth spending more money on such an old laptop.

Kind regards
Chris
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