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Windows 7: Lenovo G585 Won't boot After Upgrading To SSD

06 Oct 2018   #31
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

Never heard about a problem like that.
Maybe the manufacturer have an explanation. Let us know what you find out.


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07 Oct 2018   #32
Vineet Garg

Windows 7 Ultimate x32 With Sp1 + Vista Ultimate x32 with Sp1 & Sp2 !!
 
 

Hi All,
@Chris Nicola : Sir,
You can consider the following :
1) Does Disk Management view from HDD boot also mark HDD as unknown ?
2) Disable Power Saving options in Bios, if any.
3) Always keep in-built Disk Defragmentation utility disabled in all the OS for SSD.
4) Install win10 latest on the SSD, & check the status. It would tell whether an OS/Drivers compatibility issue is there.
5) Now put win10 on High Performance Power plan & check the status.
6) Keep high performance plan enabled & Disable Fast Startup in win10. Now check the status.
7) What is the make & model of the SSD ?
8) Always make sure that the SSD is seated & connected properly. It can make the difference! For eg. '' a little loose connection & a warm up can cause the SSD to connect well! ''

EDIT :

9) We should not forget that Startup Repair showed some problems & upgrade installation failed in the middle @ 18%
10) When the SSD is plugged in, Shut Down the computer. Now start the PC & go directly for the Safe Mode boot. How much time is taken ?
11) Freeing up some resources in Bios. For eg. disabling Network Boot & Network Boot Optrom if any, etc.
12) To check if warming up of pc hardware components is the only issue than a cold/warm boot : Normally boot into SSD, Warm it up sufficiently for sometime, perform a full shut down , then instantly boot it again & check the time taken!
13) You said This is an old laptop motherboard and the SSD is SATA 3
& your motherboard MSI P41-C31 shows on board support for SATA II. It says :

On-Board IDE/SATA

• One Ultra DMA 66/100 IDE controller integrated in Intel® ICH7.
- Supports PIO, Bus Master operation modes.
- Can connect up to two Ultra ATA drives.

• SATAII controller integrated in ICH7 chipset
- Up to 3Gb/s transfer speed.
- Supports four SATAII ports by ICH7

( I am sorry i don't know how or whether you can add SATA 3 Support/Ports/Options ? But
your Motherboard support page mentions your upgrade options for CPU & other devices in
Compatibility section : Support For P41-C31 | Motherboard - The world leader in motherboard design | MSI Global
It also talks about upper support for SATA II Drives. I think its now a hardware matter! )
14. I would try to analyze your Fast/Warm & Slow/Cold Boot logs in between.

Let us know.

Thanks & Regards. ...
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07 Oct 2018   #33
Vineet Garg

Windows 7 Ultimate x32 With Sp1 + Vista Ultimate x32 with Sp1 & Sp2 !!
 
 

Hi All,
@Chris Nicola : Sir,
To avoid any confusions & narrow down the things. Point no. 13 ( above ) has to be taken care of.

Thanks & Regards. ...
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09 Oct 2018   #34
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x3, Ubuntu
 
 

The Sata II and Sata III protocols are fully compatible either way so the difference with a Sata II board supplying a Sata III device is a Non Issue, or should be (there is a link within the link below that mentions a few issue with Old Apple systems )


You will never get the best performance possible but as the Port and Protocol are designed correctly for compatibility they should always work

Are SATA 3 drives backwards compatible with SATA 2? Why or why not? - Quora
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09 Oct 2018   #35
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x3, Ubuntu
 
 

Back to the issue.

It would appear that the issue is with some process that occurs in a "cold" Boot but not in a "Warm" boot. There are very few differences in windows that work this way but there are processes that occur before Windows boots that windows uses as part of it's boot process As the hardware has now changed it could be that windows is sat waiting for this data to proceed (a reboot retains these variables so the delay is not present).

Bad news is that a reinstall may be the only way to solve the issue to get everything "on the Same page "

Cold boot slow - [Solved] - Motherboards - Tom's Hardware
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09 Oct 2018   #36
Vineet Garg

Windows 7 Ultimate x32 With Sp1 + Vista Ultimate x32 with Sp1 & Sp2 !!
 
 

Hi All,
Greets,
@Barman58 : Sir,
Thanks for your inputs. It sounds logical but this is an SATA 3 SSD & not a SATA 3 HDD. You don't think its a clubbing fact ?
Besides, the drive was working all well on a modern pc & the problem here is only that it takes 15 minutes to initiate & all is well after that i think!

@Chris Nicola : Sir,
If you also feel same, Start again from point 1 @Post 32 ! Actually, I am still interested in this thread because i think some questions are still unanswered for me!

Let us know.

Thanks & Regards. ...

EDIT :
@Barman58 : Sir,
1.Thanks for the wonderful analysis. But he has already made a clean install from scratch on this SSD.
2. I went through the link provided by you. But here the things are quite different.
3. I always thought if he could have lightened resources in BIOS! Because it may provide SSD some more resources & a little boost.
4. I also think that heating up the components physically, helps his issue. At one place he says
Experiment 1
Boot into bios, Immediately Exit without changes. Windows takes 15 minutes to start.
Experiment 2
Boot into bios, wait for 20 minutes, Exit without changes. Windows boots immediately.

5. After going through your link, i suddenly become interested in experimenting with Hard Reset but he should feel the same way! Many thanks.

Thanks & Regards. ...
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10 Oct 2018   #37
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18.3 MATE, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

Can you boot using "Safe Mode"?

Does your "Device Manager" show any problems?

If you are sure your Backup/Clone Image is good, you could try deleting the "Storage Controller" (Device and Driver) in the "Device Manager" and then rebooting your machine.

I had a storage device issue (different to yours) that was caused by the OEM motherboard driver.
Using the default W7 driver fixed the issue.
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12 Oct 2018   #38
Chris Nicola

Desktop Win 10 Pro 64 bit, Laptop Win 7 Home 64 bit
 
 

Sorry I have not replied for a while. I was waiting for the SSD manufacturer to reply. Sadly they didn't reply after a week and I doubt they will.

To answer some of Vineet's and Lehnerus2000 questions:

The SSD is a Silicon Power Sata3 S55 220Gbt.

There is no option in Lenovo bios relating to a power saving option. The bios is very basic indeed.

The SSD is listed as unknown at the top of Disk management view but not at the bottom where it shows the disk partitions.

Putting Win 7 into a high performance power plan makes no difference.

The ssd is seated correctly.

I cannot install Win 10 without a product key. So I can't try any of those suggestions.

The motherboard in question is not MSI P41-C31. (sorry my profile info is out of date). This is a Lenovo G575 laptop, Model 20081. Specifications attached. Looks like its SATA 1.

The device manager does not show any problems. For this test only the Win 7 default drivers have been installed during the fresh installation of Win 7. There are no manufacturers drivers installed at the moment. All the manufacturers drivers were previously installed on the clone and that had the same problem taking 15 minutes to boot. Device manager also showed no problems then.

Uninstalling the storage controller did not make any difference. After shutting down and starting I pressed the F8 key to get into safe mode. it still took 15 minutes to boot into safe mode. It requested to do a repair and it eventually reinstalled the missing storage controller that had been deleted. After another reboot to finish installing the storage controller, it still takes 15 minutes to boot from a cold start.

The SSD appears to be in some kind of hibernation mode until it warms up or until a specific time delay. Then it springs into life.

My gut feeling is that the voltages on the motherboard are not correct for this ssd. There may be no solution to this problem.

Kind regards
Chris


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12 Oct 2018   #39
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18.3 MATE, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

This may have been mentioned earlier, but have you tried using different data/power cables and/or motherboard SATA sockets?

One of my previous motherboards had an issue with one of the SATA sockets (dodgy soldering or Controller issue).
HDDs attached to it would normally work correctly, but at random times they would just vanish.
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13 Oct 2018   #40
Chris Nicola

Desktop Win 10 Pro 64 bit, Laptop Win 7 Home 64 bit
 
 

Thank you for your suggestion. I don't have a spare sata port to try out on the laptop board. I doubt that its the port though as the mechanical HDD works fine.

I just tried another experiment. I did a clean install with Ubuntu. I understand Linux has all the drivers in the OS. Rebooting or a cold start takes about the same time with a 3-4 minute delay. The black screen disappears rather quickly and the delay is caused when the purple background appears. Then after 3 minutes of the plain purple screen the Ubuntu logo appears and it boots up fairly quickly after that. Its much faster than the 10-15 minute delay I had with Win 7. This is even more confusing!

I also tried the previous experiment of booting into bios and waiting for 10 minutes to allow the SSD to warm up, then booting into ubuntu. I get exactly the same 3-4 minute delay (With Win 7 it booted instantly under those circumstances).

This latest experiment leads me to me believe that the delay is caused not pre OS, but as the OS starts to boot.

Kind regards
Chris
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