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Windows 7: Lenovo G585 Won't boot After Upgrading To SSD

13 Oct 2018   #41
Vineet Garg

Windows 7 Ultimate x32 With Sp1 + Vista Ultimate x32 with Sp1 & Sp2 !!
 
 

Hi All,
@Chris Nicola : Sir, about your latest experiment!
1) Are you sure you have installed Linux on your SSD & booting from it ? When you boot into a Linux installation media, it gives you the option of running linux directly from USB/CD-DVD & do not need to actually install it to a HDD or SSD. Even you can maintain a linux os fully on a usb pendrive with persistent storage feature.
2) If you have booted in linux from SSD, Then you should definitely give a try to windows 10 Pro 64.
https://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you...se-windows-10/
( Simply proceed with win 10 pro x64 installation & avoid/skip typing a product key when asked )

Anything else ?

Let us know.

Thanks & Regards. ...


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13 Oct 2018   #42
Chris Nicola

Desktop Win 10 Pro 64 bit, Laptop Win 7 Home 64 bit
 
 

Thank you for the suggestions. Yes it was booting into Ubuntu from the SSD. The boot delay for restarting/cold start was the same (maybe 5 mins) and was about half the time compared to Windows 7.

I tried reinstalling Win 7 Home and let the windows installation delete the old partitions. This time the SSD was not marked as unknown. I installed the drivers and there were no issues in device manager. The problem persisted with the 10-15 minute boot delay from a cold start.

I succeeded in installing Win 10 home with all the updates. No problems in device manager. I selected the high performance power plan and fast boot in the Win 10 settings. Still a 10-15 minute boot delay. The difference with Windows 10 is I get the 10-15 min delay with both restarting and a cold start. With windows 7 the restart was instant and only the cold start was delayed.

Kind regards
Chris
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13 Oct 2018   #43
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM18.3 MATE, W10 Home, #All 64 bit
 
 

I wonder if it may be a (weird) graphics driver issue.

Linux includes open source (reverse engineered) drivers.
These may not be optimal.

When you boot into Ubuntu, you can open the "Driver Manager" and check if it has Proprietary Drivers available (e.g. Nvidia graphics drivers).
The dialogue window should list any other drivers that you could try.

Here is a screenshot from Linux Mint 18 (I'm not sure how Ubuntu does it these days).
Lenovo G585 Won't boot After Upgrading To SSD-lm18-driver-manager-02.png
The screenshot shows "Driver Manager" in the "All" category.
You should be able to use Search to find it.


IMO, you should avoid W10, unless you want to spend hours fixing issues caused by updates (every couple of weeks).
The latest upgrade (1809) totally deleted some users personal files (supposedly MS has fixed it).
Bugs and issues of Windows 10 version 1809 - gHacks Tech News
Microsoft fixed the data loss issue in Windows 10 version 1809 - gHacks Tech News

W10 is a "slow motion train wreck" and it has been ever since its release.


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15 Oct 2018   #44
Chris Nicola

Desktop Win 10 Pro 64 bit, Laptop Win 7 Home 64 bit
 
 

Thanks lehnerus2000 for the tip regarduing Linux drivers. Thanks also for alerting me to the bugs and issues with the Windows 1809 update (its somewhat frightning to think of the possibility losing all your data!). I did try Win 10 on the laptop when I had the option of the free upgrade but decided to stick with Win 7. Its stable on the laptop and my older programmes and drivers continue to work. I installed Ubuntu temporatily just to see if it would cure the boot issue. Ubuntu booted faster (5 min delay instead of a 10 min delay) but the basic problem remained. I also tested Windows 10 on the laptop but it did not solve the 10-15 min delayed boot issue.

Generally SSD's consume less power than HDD's but under load they can consume more power.
https://www.quora.com/Do-SSDs-use-more-or-less-power-than-HDDs-and-by-how-much

What I think is happening is that when the SSD starts up, the motherboard cannot supply enough power and there is a voltage drop and the SSD goes into some kind of hibernation mode to protect the data. Then after 10-15 minutes when the firmware detects that the power appears stable it starts to work at normal speed. This is just speculation of course.

I wish to thank everyone for helping me with this issue. I have tried everything, but it appears there is no solution to this issue. Evidently, this particular SSD is incompatible with the laptop hardware. So I have decided to put back the old HDD and forget about it. If in the future I can get hold of another brand of SSD I might try again.


Kind regards
Chris
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15 Oct 2018   #45
Vineet Garg

Windows 7 Ultimate x32 With Sp1 + Vista Ultimate x32 with Sp1 & Sp2 !!
 
 

Hi,
@Chris Nicola : Sir,
I was still on but if you give up here, I would also switch off. Let me know!
I can't commit anything, but there are points you are missing. At the same time, I understand that it is not a base for experimentation.
Another thing to say is : No matter how perfectly you plug/unplug the HDD/SDD, you can still lose the base,seat,etc. So, Do not change drives frequently.
As for win 10, the inputs by sir lehnerus2000 are really surprising. To avoid any issues, I would always download the second latest iso release & won't make any updates (The second latest release is April 2018 as of now!) I will disable the IE/EDGE browser as they are infection prone & would put in a good paid antivirus for the security charge. Because one day, we all will get to upgrade to win 10 or keep applying hacks on win 7.
Your experimentation & observations kept on startling every now & then. I really appreciate it. It was a wonderful experience working with you.

Thanks & Regards. ...
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15 Oct 2018   #46
Chris Nicola

Desktop Win 10 Pro 64 bit, Laptop Win 7 Home 64 bit
 
 

Thank you very much for your helpful and tireless support Vineet. I really appreciate it. I have learned a lot from you and from all the others who have commented on this thread. However, I have decided to give up on this particular SSD.

Thanks again to everyone who has offered their kind help.

Kind regards
Chris
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