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Windows 7: Beyond Windows 7

18 Dec 2018   #11
townsbg

Windows 7 pro 64-bit sp 1
 
 

This topic has been going on for at least a year and a half here in various threads. Oh the updates stop (new ones) but current updates will still download and windows will still activate. Windows will still run however you will eventually run into software manufacturers that'll stop supporting it. That is already happening with Vista and XP. Personally I'm not sure what I'll do with my own computer or my Mom's.



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18 Dec 2018   #12
F22 Simpilot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by townsbg View Post
Personally I'm not sure what I'll do with my own computer or my Mom's.

Linux Mint or some other variant? LOL
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19 Dec 2018   #13
Paul Black

7 HP SP1 64-bit Vista HB SP2 32-bit Linux Mint 18.3
 
 

Hi msalton1,

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You & Megahertz07 make a good point about having all of the expedient updates on hand. But since I haven't downloaded and saved them to disk, how would I (easily) obtain the necessary 'list' and then download them? I'm assuming there could be a great many, so the process could get tedious.

As to obtaining the updates...any suggestions on obtaining a list and efficient method of downloading them?
This is a topic that will continue for a long time!

As for obtaining the updates, you can download all the Security-Only-Updates and the Cumulative-Monthly-Rollups from here => List of M$ WU's.

You will also need all the .NET Framework updates etc.

I hope this helps!
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19 Dec 2018   #14
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

On the link MS releases SP2 for Windows 7 you will find all the offline updates
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21 Dec 2018   #15
ShadouFox

Windows-7 Ultimate 32bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by msalton1 View Post
I believe the support end date for Win 7 is what...Jan 2020? So what are people planning to do beyond that? I have 5 machines here, all running win 7 except for one win 8 machine that I've configured to be pretty much like win 7.



Is win 10 still the privacy crippled dumbed down smartphone-like OS it was when I tried it (pre-release)?
I don't know about Win-10, but I suppose it's as bad as you remember. I'm primarily a Linux user, and have been since 2001. There's one specific program I need that doesn't run with WINE, and so I bought a copy of Win-7 to install on an old Dell Optiplex I received for free that originally had XP installed, and there's that "Designed for Windows XP" decal still on it. So long as that program keeps running, I have no intention to change it, and I highly doubt Win-10 will run on it anyway, as it's a 32 bit system. So far, I have no complaints about Win-7. It just works, so it's a lot like Linux in that regard.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by msalton1 View Post
I'll probably think about going with Linux for some machines, but I need windows for some of my business software. I guess I could run it in a VM, but would want good performance and a no-hassle operation.


I'm rambling. Is win 10 "doable" for us diehard win 7 users? What are others here planning after it's over?
Linux is a good idea. I suppose Win-10 is "doable". Even ME was "doable", and even had its fans, but I'll have to leave that up to you.
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25 Dec 2018   #16
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM19.1 MATE, W10 Home 1703, W10 Pro 1703 VM, #All 64 bit
 
 

If your software doesn't need direct access to the Internet, you can run W10 safely in a VM on Linux.

Since I stopped MS from sending crap to it, by disabling all network access, my W10 Pro 1703 VM has run flawlessly (on VMware Player in Linux Mint).
Hyper-V and Visual Studio 2015 also work on the VM.
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25 Dec 2018   #17
vel123

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Just a few words on what private data Windows 10 by default allow itself to send to Microsoft:

System Information
  • unique advertising ID (shared with 3rd party to track the user)
  • unique UUID (e.g. used by NSA to track and attack devices)
  • system configuration
  • programs crashes
  • all installed programs


Users Data
  • emails, text messages (e.g. Skype)
  • video and audio chat (e.g. Skype)
  • contacts from the address book (address, email, phone, etc.)
  • precise location (Wifi, GPS)
  • Bitlocker recovery keys (these keys decrypt encrypted data, so Bitlocker encryption is pointless)


Users Interest and Behavior
  • full browsing history
  • app interactions (e.g. a weather app sends locations often requested)
  • usage time and frequency of programs
  • typing input and behavior
  • search requests



Microsoft even admits that the collected data can be tied to the unique user. As all big companies (e.g. Microsoft) have to share data with security authorities (e.g. NSA, GCHQ) on request and furthermore freely share huge amounts of user data, it is safe to say that every piece of data Microsoft has is available to e.g. the NSA as well. Meanwhile the NSA steadily exchanges their information with other agencies around the world. Furthermore most companies sell user data to tracking and advertisement firms.

It is not possible to hinder Windows 10 from leaking all the mentioned data. Finding and using the offered options to minimize the amounts of shared information is difficult and time consuming even for experienced users. On top of that, the majority of user-made changes towards privacy is reverted with every Windows update.

Sources:

Betriebssysteme: Windows

Windows 10’s privacy policy is the new normal | Ars Technica

Even when told not to, Windows 10 just can’t stop talking to Microsoft | Ars Technica

What Data Does Windows 10 Send to Microsoft? Techquickie - YouTube
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25 Dec 2018   #18
msalton1

windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
 
 

Apologies for the delay in returning to this thread. Lots of balls in the air these days.


After the comments here, I do feel an even greater sense of urgency to prepare for the MS drop of win 7 support. Thanks to Paul Black & Megahertz07 for the update links.


Now, the $64,000 question:


What what Win 7 compatible Motherboard & CPU are recommended/available at present?


I generally build with quality hardware. My current "production" machine is Asus Hero Max (1150)/i5 4670k and has given no issues in over 5 yrs in use. This is the quality I'm looking for.


Will graphic card drivers also be an issue?



I can't really afford to rebuild every system here, but do want (need) have components on hand for at least 2 of my systems.


Recommendations? Or should I post this in the hardware forum?
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25 Dec 2018   #19
msalton1

windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by vel123 View Post
Just a few words on what private data Windows 10 by default allow itself to send to Microsoft:...
Good info, and reinforces my determination to resist moving on to Win 10!
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25 Dec 2018   #20
F22 Simpilot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by msalton1 View Post


What what Win 7 compatible Motherboard & CPU are recommended/available at present?


Anything beyond Kaby Lake and it won't work. The motherboard manufacturers only have Win 10 drivers.

If you use Kaby Lake then updates won't work without a hack from Github.
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