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Windows 7: Beyond Windows 7

27 Dec 2018   #31
offgrid

Windows 7 Home Professional 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by msalton1 View Post
I believe the support end date for Win 7 is what...Jan 2020? So what are people planning to do beyond that? I have 5 machines here, all running win 7 except for one win 8 machine that I've configured to be pretty much like win 7.



Is win 10 still the privacy crippled dumbed down smartphone-like OS it was when I tried it (pre-release)?



Can the settings be secured to maintain privacy and security? Can one get under the hood?


I'll probably think about going with Linux for some machines, but I need windows for some of my business software. I guess I could run it in a VM, but would want good performance and a no-hassle operation.


I'm rambling. Is win 10 "doable" for us diehard win 7 users? What are others here planning after it's over?
As someone who has tried Windows 10 for 2 years and scrapped it completely please allow my input, based on my own experience. Windows 10 is an exercise in frustration, don't take my word for it, read some of the articles from How to Geek. Even noteworthy Windows diehards like Leo Notenboom have castigated Windows for their feeble efforts to make a decent workable OS out of Windows 10.
Windows 10 has become what the Linux world calls a rolling distribution. Which means no new release, just ongoing updates. Some Linux distro's handle this well, others not so well, but all do it better than Microsoft.
After 2 years of frustration and problems with Windows 10, I sold my last Windows 10 laptop and bought a
MacBook which I have been using for one month. My only regret it that I ever went with Windows in the first place. I am posting this using my old trusty Windows 7 laptop, slow as snails but rock solid stable. I would stay with Windows 7 forever if they would support it (which they wont). Given Microsoft's arrogance and disdain for the end user, there is only one option for computer life after Windows 7, it's called Mac.
Most of the computer users in my immediate family have already switched and even the diehard Windows fans are considering it. Windows 10 is the best thing that ever happened, for Linux and Apple.


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27 Dec 2018   #32
ian50

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 
Win10 privacy trash

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by vel123 View Post
Just a few words on what private data Windows 10 by default allow itself to send to Microsoft:

System Information
  • unique advertising ID (shared with 3rd party to track the user)
  • unique UUID (e.g. used by NSA to track and attack devices)
  • system configuration
  • programs crashes
  • all installed programs


Users Data
  • emails, text messages (e.g. Skype)
  • video and audio chat (e.g. Skype)
  • contacts from the address book (address, email, phone, etc.)
  • precise location (Wifi, GPS)
  • Bitlocker recovery keys (these keys decrypt encrypted data, so Bitlocker encryption is pointless)


Users Interest and Behavior
  • full browsing history
  • app interactions (e.g. a weather app sends locations often requested)
  • usage time and frequency of programs
  • typing input and behavior
  • search requests



Microsoft even admits that the collected data can be tied to the unique user. As all big companies (e.g. Microsoft) have to share data with security authorities (e.g. NSA, GCHQ) on request and furthermore freely share huge amounts of user data, it is safe to say that every piece of data Microsoft has is available to e.g. the NSA as well. Meanwhile the NSA steadily exchanges their information with other agencies around the world. Furthermore most companies sell user data to tracking and advertisement firms.

It is not possible to hinder Windows 10 from leaking all the mentioned data. Finding and using the offered options to minimize the amounts of shared information is difficult and time consuming even for experienced users. On top of that, the majority of user-made changes towards privacy is reverted with every Windows update.

Sources:

Betriebssysteme: Windows

Windows 10ís privacy policy is the new normal | Ars Technica

Even when told not to, Windows 10 just canít stop talking to Microsoft | Ars Technica

What Data Does Windows 10 Send to Microsoft? Techquickie - YouTube

Thank you for this information.


It is beyond terrifying.
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27 Dec 2018   #33
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

You think Google is any different?
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27 Dec 2018   #34
z3r010

Windows 10 Workstation x64
 
 

All out of date claptrap, MSFT is not spying, they collect telemetry from agreed insiders, the spying stuff you read now is just Luddite paranoia from people that do not know that they are talking about.
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27 Dec 2018   #35
ian50

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
You think Google is any different?

Of course not. How does that absolve MS and Win10 ?


Lucky Zucky and his InYourFace Book is probably even more corrupt in leveraging privacy. That too does not absolve MS and Win10.
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27 Dec 2018   #36
offgrid

Windows 7 Home Professional 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ian50 View Post
Of course not. How does that absolve MS and Win10 ?


Lucky Zucky and his InYourFace Book is probably even more corrupt in leveraging privacy. That too does not absolve MS and Win10.
+1
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27 Dec 2018   #37
lehnerus2000

W7 Ultimate SP1, LM19.1 MATE, W10 Home 1703, W10 Pro 1703 VM, #All 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by townsbg View Post
I suspect that it'll be very difficult for 10 to phone home if you never connect to the internet. But who's going to do that.
That's the way I run my W10 Pro 1703 VM (using VMware Player on Linux Mint 18.3).

Not only do I not have to worry about MS' garbage code updates, W10 also can't send anything to them.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010 View Post
All out of date claptrap, MSFT is not spying, they collect telemetry from agreed insiders, the spying stuff you read now is just Luddite paranoia from people that do not know that they are talking about.
Ordinary users can't opt out of telemetry in W10.

Given the quality of MS' updates, it's obvious that they don't use telemetry data to improve W10 code.

Which leads to the inevitable question, "What is the data actually used for?"
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28 Dec 2018   #38
F22 Simpilot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
ASUS select win7 in the dropdown - win7 bios, audio, lan,usb, chipset,sata
H310M-E R2.0 | Motherboards | ASUS USA

Attachment 406376


Gigabyte, example:

Attachment 406375


No graphics drivers- separate graphics card needed.


Well how be damned.
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28 Dec 2018   #39
Nasty7

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
Not really.
Adventurous types can use use bios mod to boot from pcie nvme - nearly all ivybridge boards will support it.
That will keep you going for many years.
I would love to know a little more about this SIW2. I actually am using an old Windows 8 machine to run Windows 7 Pro, so maybe for me this will be even easier? Will you point me in the right direction? Of course my pc is a Dell 660S SFF, and sometimes the SFF part messes me up with so little space for adding extra devices.
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28 Dec 2018   #40
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

@Nasty7

There are several mods already available on win raid forum - mostly for regular desktops. e.g. ga-b75m and ga-z77-d3h, and plenty more.

You can use SIV to find your mobo details, then see if anybody has already modded a bios file for your mobo.

It might be this one Dell motherboard Desktop 660 660S 270S 0478VN 478VN XFWHV

But I suggest you check to make sure

SIV - System Information Viewer


Otherwise, you can do it yourself, instructions:

HERE







Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Nasty7 View Post
I would love to know a little more about this SIW2. I actually am using an old Windows 8 machine to run Windows 7 Pro, so maybe for me this will be even easier? Will you point me in the right direction? Of course my pc is a Dell 660S SFF, and sometimes the SFF part messes me up with so little space for adding extra devices.
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