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Windows 7: Beyond Windows 7

17 Dec 2018   #1
msalton1

windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
 
 
Beyond Windows 7

I believe the support end date for Win 7 is what...Jan 2020? So what are people planning to do beyond that? I have 5 machines here, all running win 7 except for one win 8 machine that I've configured to be pretty much like win 7.



Is win 10 still the privacy crippled dumbed down smartphone-like OS it was when I tried it (pre-release)?



Can the settings be secured to maintain privacy and security? Can one get under the hood?


I'll probably think about going with Linux for some machines, but I need windows for some of my business software. I guess I could run it in a VM, but would want good performance and a no-hassle operation.


I'm rambling. Is win 10 "doable" for us diehard win 7 users? What are others here planning after it's over?


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17 Dec 2018   #2
samuria

win 8 32 bit
 
 

Thr problem will come sooner firms wont want to make software and drivers for a old windows as its not cost effective so they will only support 10. For 64 bit drivers firms have to pay MS so they wont for a dwindling market. Never has MS done what they have with 10 thats give you FREE a new windows every 6 months. You proberley never wanted to stop using xp but had to in the end its the same with 10 most of it is like 7
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17 Dec 2018   #3
msalton1

windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by samuria View Post
Thr problem will come sooner firms wont want to make software and drivers for a old windows as its not cost effective so they will only support 10. For 64 bit drivers firms have to pay MS so they wont for a dwindling market. Never has MS done what they have with 10 thats give you FREE a new windows every 6 months. You proberley never wanted to stop using xp but had to in the end its the same with 10 most of it is like 7

Which lends credence to the idea that the user is the product.



I don't have a problem 'moving on', I just like the idea of giving up privacy to do it.


My primary concerns in moving to Win 10 are privacy & security. Beyond that, I'd like flexibility in configuring the OS to meet my needs. My perception is that win 10 falls short on all three counts, but I'm not up to speed on 10, which is why I posted.


Do you feel that you've made unpleasant compromises in the switch to 10?
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18 Dec 2018   #4
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

As long as you don't have any hardware failure there is nothing to worry about.
Win 7 will work after the end of M$ support as it work today. The only change is that there will be no updates.

Just make sure you have the a installation disk and all offline updates.
MS releases SP2 for Windows 7
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18 Dec 2018   #5
Paul Black

Win 7 HP SP1 64-bit Vista HB SP2 32-bit Linux Mint 18.3
 
 

Hi msalton1,

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Megahertz07 View Post
As long as you don't have any hardware failure there is nothing to worry about.
Win 7 will work after the end of M$ support as it work today. The only change is that there will be no updates.
Just make sure you have the a installation disk and all offline updates.
I agree with Megahertz07.

I always download the WU's [.msu's] for both the Security-Only-Updates and the Cumulative-Monthly-Rollups. I also keep a clean All-In-One ISO. I also download all the critical [and possibly some important] updates along with any that I think are important enough to have etc. This way, I can pretty much create a new installation ISO to my needs at any time.

I have also got...

[1] - KB3020369 - Servicing Stack Update - April 2015.
[2] - KB3125574 - Convenience Rollup Package - May 2016.
[3] - KB3172605 - Functional Update Rollup [THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT] - July 2016.
[4] - KB3179573 - Functional Update Rollup - August 2016.

... and the latest SSU.

The most important thing is to make sure that when we get to 2020 that we have everything necessary in order to be able to install Windows 7 that runs smoothly, hardware permitting.

Disk images are obviously another option.

I hope this helps!
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18 Dec 2018   #6
F22 Simpilot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I haven't used updates since I ran Windows 98se. No virus crap, no hacking crap. It's all on how YOU use your computer and the software that protects YOU from yourself.

I have, and apparently it's "outdated" and prong to hacking and virus crap, an XP netbook that's on 24/7. Its purpose is a small local FTP server, phone call annunciator and call blocker and Team Speak server. It has never been "hacked" or gotten a virus.

Again, it's all in how you use your machine. I don't even run an anti-virus. I use Sandboxie as my gate before the fortress and I'll stop there. Just read my system specs. Definition anti-virus is not going to protect you, and updates won't stop future CVEs, ransomware or polymorphic malware. It's all one big pile and this update mandate people put on is a fallacy.

If you have a server with an open port to the world then that's a completely different situation. In fact, patch every and all vulnerabilities no matter how small. I've read that the special mathematical folks at no such agency will pry open a vulnerability no matter how small. Check your server IP at Shodan. I can't tell you how many unpatched servers I've seen out there.

For me personally, the only draw back to not upgrading is games and programs will eventually not work with 7 anymore. And if I want a Coffee Lake CPU and up I need a 300 series MOBO and the MOBO manufacture only has Win 10 MOBO drivers for a 300 series MOBO. So that puts a giant hole in this monopoly. Rich Uncle Penny Bags would be proud. And M$ gets free parking all the time at your analytics expense.

Come the time I do use 10 I'm deploying a hardware-based firewall and blocking ALL of M$'s ASNs. I'm not letting anything M$ in or out of MY machine. If I need M$ I'll use the VPN. The very fact 10 comes with a built-in keylogger should frighten everyone. But seen as how we roam around public with a marketer's wet dream come true -- the smartphone, It's no wonder no one cares.

It's a brave new world out there. At least it better be.
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18 Dec 2018   #7
F22 Simpilot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Beyond Windows 7



Kinda like Bed Bath & Beyond.









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18 Dec 2018   #8
msalton1

windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Black View Post
Hi msalton1,



I agree with Megahertz07.

I always download the WU's [.msu's] for both the Security-Only-Updates and the Cumulative-Monthly-Rollups. I also keep a clean All-In-One ISO. I also download all the critical [and possibly some important] updates along with any that I think are important enough to have etc. This way, I can pretty much create a new installation ISO to my needs at any time.

I have also got...

[1] - KB3020369 - Servicing Stack Update - April 2015.
[2] - KB3125574 - Convenience Rollup Package - May 2016.
[3] - KB3172605 - Functional Update Rollup [THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT] - July 2016.
[4] - KB3179573 - Functional Update Rollup - August 2016.

... and the latest SSU.

The most important thing is to make sure that when we get to 2020 that we have everything necessary in order to be able to install Windows 7 that runs smoothly, hardware permitting.

Disk images are obviously another option.

I hope this helps!

Hi Paul - I actually haven't finished that 'new install' to the new SSD, but got to thinking...only another year until support drops. Thus this thread. You & Megahertz07 make a good point about having all of the expedient updates on hand. But since I haven't downloaded and saved them to disk, how would I (easily) obtain the necessary 'list' and then download them? I'm assuming there could be a great many, so the process could get tedious.


And, unless a way is developed to get around the new hardware activation snare for Win 7 (after support drops), there can be no upgrading of a machine, which could be problematic if there is an activation triggering component failure.



I suppose the way to handle things is to upgrade my machines by 2020. That could get expensive, since I have 4 windows 7 machines running here. I always buy quality components for my builds (it always pays off in problem free longevity), so that could add up pretty quickly.


As to obtaining the updates...any suggestions on obtaining a list and efficient method of downloading them?


Thanks.
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18 Dec 2018   #9
msalton1

windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by F22 Simpilot View Post
I haven't used updates since I ran Windows 98se. No virus crap, no hacking crap. It's all on how YOU use your computer and the software that protects YOU from yourself.

I have, and apparently it's "outdated" and prong to hacking and virus crap, an XP netbook that's on 24/7. Its purpose is a small local FTP server, phone call annunciator and call blocker and Team Speak server. It has never been "hacked" or gotten a virus.

Again, it's all in how you use your machine. I don't even run an anti-virus. I use Sandboxie as my gate before the fortress and I'll stop there. Just read my system specs. Definition anti-virus is not going to protect you, and updates won't stop future CVEs, ransomware or polymorphic malware. It's all one big pile and this update mandate people put on is a fallacy.

If you have a server with an open port to the world then that's a completely different situation. In fact, patch every and all vulnerabilities no matter how small. I've read that the special mathematical folks at no such agency will pry open a vulnerability no matter how small. Check your server IP at Shodan. I can't tell you how many unpatched servers I've seen out there.

For me personally, the only draw back to not upgrading is games and programs will eventually not work with 7 anymore. And if I want a Coffee Lake CPU and up I need a 300 series MOBO and the MOBO manufacture only has Win 10 MOBO drivers for a 300 series MOBO. So that puts a giant hole in this monopoly. Rich Uncle Penny Bags would be proud. And M$ gets free parking all the time at your analytics expense.

Come the time I do use 10 I'm deploying a hardware-based firewall and blocking ALL of M$'s ASNs. I'm not letting anything M$ in or out of MY machine. If I need M$ I'll use the VPN. The very fact 10 comes with a built-in keylogger should frighten everyone. But seen as how we roam around public with a marketer's wet dream come true -- the smartphone, It's no wonder no one cares.

It's a brave new world out there. At least it better be.

I'm on the same page. I run a tight ship. No open ports, wireless networks isolated, business and personal networks isolated by subnets on separate routers, all inbound and outbound traffic controlled and very careful about what software gets installed. I also schedule Macrium images 3 times weekly for critical partitions.



But I haven't upgraded hardware in about 5 years. I hadn't thought about the driver issue. Are high end mobos/cpus still providing win 7 x64 drivers? I rarely research until I need a new build.
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18 Dec 2018   #10
F22 Simpilot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by msalton1 View Post
\Are high end mobos/cpus still providing win 7 x64 drivers? I rarely research until I need a new build.

I've noticed that if you want to run a Coffee Lake CPU which is at the 8th and 9th generation iteration of CPUs to date, you need a 300 series motherboard, and those MOBO manufacturer's only provide Win 10 drivers. I doubt the Win 10 driver would work in 7.

It's as if M$ is like Rich Uncle Penny Bags, but owns this Monopoly board.

"You want to run a Kaby Lake in Win 7? No updates for you!"

"You want to run Coffee Lake in Win 7 even though they are both LGA 1151? No MOBO drivers for you!"

I guess it makes sense that hardware does age, but come on! They were/are pushing Win 10 bad, and for free to boot. Why I wonder? There's an old saying: Nothing in life is free. NOTHING! With 10 you've become M$'s little cash cow in terms of analytics and data consumption. After all, there is a built-in keylogger. I remember at one time keyloggers were highly frowned upon and there were several programs to stop or ID them. I even ran a program years ago that used an add-on in Firefox to scramble my keystrokes at the apparent kernel level.

Personal Computer? Not in this the 21st century. You lease it.
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