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Windows 7: I Want to Keep Windows 7 Forever

23 Jan 2020   #281
F22 Simpilot

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RoWin7 View Post
I use Waterfox, an unofficial branch of Firefox, and for online work I've changed my user agent to Firefox 59, because the sites I use require Chrome or Firefox.

Is it similarly possible to disguise Win7 as Win 10?
And can someone on another site actually see I'm using 7?

I have the Custom User Agent String extension in my Waterfox. Can I just change it to this?

"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:59.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/59.0"








You can, but there are more embed metrics in a browser that can shed the true light on what OS you are really using. Like Recaptcha for example. I use the Pale Moon browser and also forge my UA with the UAControl extension to make it look like I'm always using the latest Firefox and Windows 10. But! despite that Google's Recaptcha has some code there that somehow knows you're not really using blowhard Chrome copy Firefox or blow hard Chrome and if so, no Recaptcha puzzle solving for you. You can solve 'em and solve 'em and like Gandalf from Lord Of The Rings, 'you shall not pass.' This is straight up rank browser discrimination and a way to in fact control the Internet. Especially with 99.99999% of every damn website that has a form submission and needs to keep the bots at bay chose to use Google for their captcha needs.

So in the end, if I need to submit a form I don't even bother trying to use my Pale Moon browser and just paste the damn link in my plain vanilla Firefox install. And on my own website's it's why I'll never use Google's BS captcha solution. I use something where you have to manipulate images in a certain order and it's never failed me yet. Plus, I've seen in my access logs stop would be spammers right on the registration page. They'd get as far as a 200 and that's it. LOL Though, I also use a very elaborate nomenclature of scrips and CloudFlare to filter out all the unsavory traffic and query the IP of all logins and registrations at the Stop Forum Spam database.

At any rate, it's getting to the point where if you use a niche browser you WILL be scrutinized. Whether that be with a Recaptcha or a website not wanting to deliver its content because you don't represent the masses and their stipend of million dollar making browsers. Not to mention the privacy invading BS with telemetry and what not. I wouldn't even touch a Chromium based browser with a ten foot pole. And besides, XUL is still the tried an true code to go. Webextension crap is a plague of all sorts and is just so utterly stupid to use. Never mind trying to code for it.

I think the UA you're looking for looks like this:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:72.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/72.0

Check here: http://www.useragentstring.com/


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24 Jan 2020   #282
RoWin7

Win 7 Ult 64-bit
 
 

You took the long way around.

I'm forced to use Chrome on certain tasks, but that's all I use it for. Not my choice. There are scripts I use on Chrome that won't work on Mozilla browsers.

And my Waterfox w/XUL has been posing as Firefox successfully for almost a year. Not every site scrutinizes you that closely. I had been thinking of dual booting 10 just to use for work, but if I can get away with 7, I will. Worse come to worse, I'll install 10 on my 4th machine, but I'm holding out as long as I can.
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24 Jan 2020   #283
ian50

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 
Win7 activation ?

Ok, Win7 is no longer supported.


You can still purchase either new or 2nd hand machines with G6 cpu's that will run Win7 ok. And you can still buy legit copies of a Win7 iso to install; these come with an OEM code that should allow activation on the MS servers.

Does MS still allow Win7 activation now ? Anyone successfully done it ?

There are good tutorials on this website for slipstreaming the crucial updates into the iso to reduce tedium time so this may be a workaround for running Win7 for quite some years, perhaps. A guaranteed redundancy against future hardware failure of current machines at some cost may be worth considering.
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24 Jan 2020   #284
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 1909 - 18363.657 XP/Vista/Win7/Win8.1 in VM for testing
 
 

Machines are not the issue as you say, you can still install Vista and even XP and activate them, this is normal for Microsoft and applies the same for Win7 (cannot confirm as I switched to Win 10 before it was officially released).

There is an issue with New legit copies of the software for installation, as the End of Life approached the cost in the US and UK markets went through the roof, up to several hundred US dollars for a non transferable OEM copy and Retail copies are now extremely rare and priced accordingly - there are many special offers on eBay and other sources but all look to be counterfeit or otherwise not genuine (cracked, stolen keys etc ).

If the Australian market is not facing this issue then I would suggest you grab a few copies for future use (or sales overseas )
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24 Jan 2020   #285
BuckSkin

Windows 7 Pro x64
 
 

Admittedly, I haven't yet read this entire thread, but I have skipped through it a bit.

Here are my own personal observations:
Although I would be the last to claim that I have any idea what I am doing, I have somehow gotten the reputation of being the family's/friend's/people-I-don't-even-know's go to guy for (free) computer help and repair.
I say that to say this, I have had exposure to just about every system there is.
I have and also work with several old ancient XP machines and I have not found anything yet that they can't do that a more "modern" one can; I am sure there are plenty of things that XP machines cannot do; however, most are things I must not have had any need for anyway; they will make an Amazon purchase just as quick as any.

Windows 7 is where they should have quit and held their ground; it is where I have quit and am holding mine.

Every new Windows OS after Windows 7 is the most confusing complicated nightmare to perform the most simplest of tasks on.
Things that with Win7 are only a simple click away are hidden under and in the most obscure and un-thought out places; it is like asking an old Peterbilt mechanic to work on a KIA.

My experience with Linux is that it is superior to Windows in just about every way ----- IF --- you can ever learn the entirely different language that Linux people insist on using --- weird names that they call the simplest of things that in no way give a hint as to what they actually mean.
On any old machine with any old equipment, Linux is quick as a cat --- it will just slow a Windows person down considerably trying to figure out what to do next.

The one thing that keeps myself and most of the computer-owning general public from switching entirely over to Linux is that fact that Windows is the Small Block Chevrolet of the computing world. Software manufacturers out to make a profit know this and it is unlikely to change anytime soon.
All of the really good photo editing programs are Windows only (or possibly with a MAC version).
All of the really good plug-ins for these photo programs are Windows only.
Yes, there are some great FREE Linux programs, but you have to be Einsteins gifted nephew to accomplish results with them that are a simple click in the Windows programs.


As for me worrying about support and updates; I have had all that garbage turned off for years and have not noticed any ill effects yet.
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24 Jan 2020   #286
maxseven

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit 6.1 Build 7601 (SP1)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BuckSkin View Post
...As for me worrying about support and updates; I have had all that garbage turned off for years and have not noticed any ill effects yet.
I have been computing since my home-built IMSAI 8080 circa 1978 or so and have never suffered from a so-called security issue. Lucky, yes, but then "I'd rather be Lucky than Smart, though it's good to be Both!"

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24 Jan 2020   #287
EmeraldShard

Win7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BuckSkin View Post
My experience with Linux is that it is superior to Windows in just about every way ----- IF --- you can ever learn the entirely different language that Linux people insist on using --- weird names that they call the simplest of things that in no way give a hint as to what they actually mean.
On any old machine with any old equipment, Linux is quick as a cat --- it will just slow a Windows person down considerably trying to figure out what to do next.
This is actually a really good way to describe Linux from the perspective of someone considering it as an alternative to Win10, and IMO it accurately describes one of the biggest barriers to entry from a common user's perspective: the perception (rightful or not) that Linux users bury the whatever benefits their system provides under a mountain of jargon and needless convolution.

Personally, the biggest annoyance I forsee when I finally switch over is learning the command-line language. I mean, I'm sure it's not too hard once you get the hang of it, but I've known basic DOS commands for thirty years now, and the fact that Windows' command line tool emulates them makes it really familiar and comfortable to do stuff from command line when necessary. Which is not to say another language can't be learned, but at a certain point one worries about one's own rapidly-dwindling brain plasticity.
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24 Jan 2020   #288
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 1909 - 18363.657 XP/Vista/Win7/Win8.1 in VM for testing
 
 

A major block to Linux getting a serious following in the OS market is that it is so fragmented - there are hundreds of different variations - the distros all have their good points and also their not so good points, which means that the learning curve is steep to get to a usable system for those not "computer People", (geeks). Without this general following the major software companies will not see a large enough market to invest their resources in - Apple MAC have around 10 times the market share of all the Linux Distros, but do get support from some Big companies, Adobe and Microsoft (Microsoft Office for MAC has always been near if not the top software on Apple MAC)

Of course it has it's place in the server market and turns up in the most unexpected places - Windows Subsystem for Linux - Wikipedia
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24 Jan 2020   #289
RolandJS

Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
 
 

From my readings, it looks like once a person settles on a particular Linux, then the hunt for the 3rd party goodies supported by said particular Linux begins and continues. I think LadyF and RoWin7 have Linux experience, along with much Windows experience.
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24 Jan 2020   #290
Rokkor

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BuckSkin View Post
....All of the really good photo editing programs are Windows only (or possibly with a MAC version). All of the really good plug-ins for these photo programs are Windows only.
Yes, there are some great FREE Linux programs, but you have to be Einsteins gifted nephew to accomplish results with them that are a simple click in the Windows programs...
I'm a photography enthusiast and have used an older version of Photoshop for years on Windows. And the need for Photoshop kept me from switching to Linux. I did try Linux's GIMP program and it's not harder than Photoshop BUT if one is familiar with Photoshop it takes a lot to learn new software. Though to be fair if a person was a lifelong Linux & GIMP user and had to migrate to Windows 10 and use Photoshop for the first time, they would have the same initial difficulties...So I ended up installing WINE so I could use Photoshop in Linux. Though there are a number of good Linux photo editing software besides GIMP. Some are simpler and some are more complex.
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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by EmeraldShard View Post
...Personally, the biggest annoyance I forsee when I finally switch over [to Linux] is learning the command-line language. I mean, I'm sure it's not too hard once you get the hang of it, but I've known basic DOS commands for thirty years now, and the fact that Windows' command line tool emulates them makes it really familiar and comfortable to do stuff from command line when necessary. Which is not to say another language can't be learned, but at a certain point one worries about one's own rapidly-dwindling brain plasticity.
There's usually no need for using command line in Linux these days, unless someone chooses a harder to use distro like Arch. I installed Linux Mint on my wife's laptop after permanently screwing up Windows 7. She had no problem using it, surfing the net, purchasing, banking, etc. and she's never used the command line in 3 months. But then again she never used the command line in W7 either. I sometimes use the command line just for fun, but I've not found I needed to anymore than I needed to use command in W7.
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