Win "10" and "11"

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  1. Posts : 358
    Windows 7 Home Premium
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    Win "10" and "11"


    I'm sorry guys , but I have to ask: What is an Operating System? I always thought an "OPERATING SYSTEM" was to run the hardware on the computer. I'm sorry but I really don't like anything released after Win 7 because they seem to think the "OS" is a catchall to install "M$" crap software (and other crap s**t that's "UNWANTED" basically referring to "METRO" crap). Win 7 had a lot of s**t that needed to be deleted (like "AERO"), that, being as I am "OLD and almost blind" just looked F***ed up to me) but hey even Win 8 had even 10 times more "S**T". I have used Win 8.1 and 10 and 11 in VMs and all I can see is that they're actually, (a piece of S**T). "WAY TOO MUCH ADDED CRAP". I really don't think an "OS" should be a catchall for "EVERYTHING" (when is M$ going to add the kitchen sink?). I am all for "SUPPORTING EVERYTHING". Hey, I'm 81 YO and since maybe (if I'm lucky) I can get another 3 years of updates for Win 7 (yet to be seen) maybe I wont "DIE" before that's over. I don't know Guys and Gals, but I really need to know that there is at least one person out there that feels that an "OPERATING SYSTEM" should "NOT" be a catchall for every piece of crap software they can include with it. Sorry but I always thought software was developed to "ENHANCE" an operating system and not to be included in it. Sorry folks, I know this is nothing but a "RANT" but, hey I will be more than happy to see any replies to this.
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  2. Posts : 15,681
    7 X64
       #2

    We get it.
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  3. Posts : 6,582
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64/ Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC
       #3

    I'm sorry guys , but I have to ask: What is an Operating System?
    A corporate ecosystem where the user is the cash cow. Mooooo...

    There's always Gentoo.
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  4. Posts : 668
    Windows 7 Pro 64-bit / Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (dual boot)
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    billmcct:

    I've been a Windows 7 user since its beginning, and I consider it to be the best Windows operating system that's been released.
    When Windows 10 was released more than 7 years ago, I was shocked at how many useless apps it came with.
    With the exception of a few that I need and use, I uninstall the other 30+ apps.

    Feel free to rant all you want.
    This 77-year old is ranting with you.
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  5. Posts : 64
    Win 7 Ultimate X64
       #5

    I smell what you're steppin' in Bro. I wish MS would support W-7 for "enthusiasts". I know, I'm hardly in that category but I can come here and bum advice from you guys! Anyway, wish you many more years of Windows 7!
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  6. Posts : 6,582
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64/ Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC
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    I can understand the need to want to stay with Windows 7, I for one do, that's why I'm still on this forum. But at the end of the day you're forced to eventually move on to a newer and supported OS (Operating System) because the evolution of all things tech evolves. But with my use of the word "evolves" I'm not saying Windows 10 is an evolutionary step ahead for OSs. IMO it's not, it's an OS created and offered for free because YOU are the product. Android is like that in many ways and I feel like Microsoft wanted to follow suit in the phone market ecosphere of technology as it pertains to an OS. Especially given the fact there's a boat ton of telemetry pouring out of the latest incarnations of Windows just like Android.

    I wouldn't say we need a Microsoft OS for "enthusiasts" but for PC/Gamers and another for the smart devices of things like tablets. This makes massive sense from a marketing perspective if you ask me. But! I can see how maintaining two different OSs can be a real pain monetarily and all that rot. I can understand the name of the game is all about profit, but I know several decades ago just in the 1970s alone that it seems like a lot of companies cared for their customer and the products they made. Especially in the realm of customer service. In this day and age customer service and a fine polished product seem to be out the window. We can also see this in the arts like movies, TV shows and music. What ever the production company is comfortable with backing and ensuring a guaranteed profit without risk is king and thus so much for a quality product. To make an analogy, the era of Windows XP and Window 7 was like the movies Dances With Wolves and Saving Private Ryan. Or the musical quality and full wealth of instruments in a lot of the music prior to the 2000s.

    So how do we move forward and try and stay up to date in this ever evolving technology landscape without being connected to a digital teat sucker since you are the "cash cow?" Look toward alternatives of course. If you're doing nothing but office orientated Apping, then Linux would be well suited for you. By office orientated Apping, I mean your 80% use of the PC everyday is browsing the Internet, using Libre Office or Microsoft Office and printing. If 80%+ of what you do matches those criteria then dual boot Linux. Preferably on two separate hard drives. Don't ever depend on partitions. For SSDs and platters I use a 5.25" hard drive selector drive bay with six hard drive switches made by the company Kingwin. If you use NVMe, you have to interject on boot up and select the HDD to boot from with the right key press. I have to do this all the time since I make use of SSDs, platters and a NVMe drive. Real pain sometimes though. Many people say Zorin OS is a good Windows alternative. I'd personally stay away from Ubuntu since it seems Microsoft got their mitts all in that OS. For the server I hear AlmaLinux was pretty good. There's also this guy's project where he stripped the hell out of Windows 10 and calls it Tiny10. So check that out. Yes, you'll still need to provide a product key for Tiny10.

    Speaking of Microsoft getting their mitts in Ubuntu. They own Github, they want you to use the Microsoft Store like Google Play et al, and did I mention Windows 10/11 comes with a boat ton of telemetry making you the cash cow? I imagine one day Microsoft will make it so ONLY the Microsoft Store will allow you to install what programs you want to install. Linux already has something like this, but you can still install what ever you want and the alternative in Windows is called Chocolatey which is a Windows package manager much like the Linux version.

    In the end, if I ran a company it would NEVER be Microsoft as my computing solution, EVER! LOL My IT staff would thank me for having everyone use Linux, the servers running Linux, Libre software and the major threat mitigation because of it... If the software I needed was Windows only I'd have an alternative custom coded for Linux or make use of a virtual machine and/or Docker containers... I realize that there is some needed software that is Windows only, but I'm very, very good at finding alternatives or at least hiring a Dev. Which of course means money... But hey! I have a fined polished product by which to use from. No more of this "the system's down/software is borked" crap. Especially with a forced BS update that all too often needs an update. Does that make any sense? An update needing an update? Really?! QC is straight out the window and I know because one of the most popular search engine hits on my website is, "Why is Windows 10 a piece of shit?"

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  7. Posts : 64
    Win 7 Ultimate X64
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    Yes, "resistance is futile". Personally, I am dipping a toe into a VM on W-10 to see if there is any life left for W-7 there. I have read of others here who VM W-7 so it can't be all bad. I have retail versions of W-10 and 11 and all the negatives about telemetry etc. still seem to affect them. The one good thing about getting old is if my hardware outlasts me I can have Windows 7 as long as I like. The world turns and there may come a day when a newer generation can make Windows 7 "backward" compatible more easily and I can use it even longer on newer hardware!
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  8. Posts : 630
    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
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    Leo625 said:
    Yes, "resistance is futile". Personally, I am dipping a toe into a VM on W-10 to see if there is any life left for W-7 there. I have read of others here who VM W-7 so it can't be all bad. I have retail versions of W-10 and 11 and all the negatives about telemetry etc. still seem to affect them. The one good thing about getting old is if my hardware outlasts me I can have Windows 7 as long as I like. The world turns and there may come a day when a newer generation can make Windows 7 "backward" compatible more easily and I can use it even longer on newer hardware!
    I'm running Win 7 in my VMWare along with a number of other OS's and on my old Toshiba Satellite A210. You could live and work out of a VM and never work out of your bare metal host system again. Love VM's
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  9. Posts : 66
    Windows 7 Starter SP1
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    You might be interested to learn there is work on a so-called "Extended Kernel" for Windows 7 to allow you to run modern applications that no longer officially support Windows 7 such as the latest iTunes, supposedly works quite well
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  10. Posts : 127
    Windows 7 64 bit
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    I'm no Windows guru, so, I come here looking for help instead of being able to give intelligent answers. In the past, Windows updates tried to sneak in an update from Windows 7 to Windows 10. Many took steps to block that from happening because they didn't want to switch. If someone were to do that update, is everything backward compatible enough that all of the programs already on the computer would run as they were designed to run? I'm assuming, from the tone of the answers here, that it isn't an easy thing to make Windows 10 or 11 more like Windows 7 by deleting the unwanted "stuff"? For those of us using Chrome, is it better to carry on without future updates or will it become a necessity to dump Chrome for something else? I also have to admit I haven't used 10 or 11, so, I have no knowledge of how extensive the differences are. Thanks.
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