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Windows 7: I hate W7 for one reason!

06 Dec 2009   #21
Offsprung

7 Pro64 Hopefully
 
 

Did you restart before atempting to take owner ship. If file/folder is locked you probably cannot change much of anything.


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06 Dec 2009   #22
thebirdbath

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
Simple file sharing is not designed to work with NTFS volumes but with FAT.
To correctly share NTFS partitions you need to use the advanced sharing.

The issue is the same basic NTFS permissions issue - that is because Windows 7 enforces good security practices that were often ignored on XP systems. The basic rules of NTFS permissions have not changed from Windows NT although they were not always used except on Client server network systems
Can't understand a word. What are you telling me to do to fix this issue?

All I want to be able to do is open a file...edit the darn thing and then save it!
Tell me in plain english what I have to do.
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06 Dec 2009   #23
Offsprung

7 Pro64 Hopefully
 
 

Quote:
To correctly share NTFS partitions you need to use the advanced sharing.
ONLY if you add unnecessary advanced file sharing to the mix.
A locked file/folder is still locked no matter what.
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06 Dec 2009   #24
thebirdbath

Windows 7
 
 

Here is what I get everytime I try to edit a file on my internal storage drive. Doesn't matter what application I'm using...I can't edit files. I can't even overwrite files to that drive using FTP.



However, if I start the application by right clicking on the icon and choosing "Run as Administrator" then it works...but that sucks...it should just work.
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06 Dec 2009   #25
FuturDreamz

Windows 8 Pro (32-bit)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Offsprung View Post
Sounds more like adobe, it has ALWAYS keeped files/folders locked after closing. Very irritating trying to eject a usb drive after PS has editted or renaming a folder in XP.
Seems that things are more noticeable in Seven since it follows rules better.
My internet kept breaking in Seven, turned out to be a setting I made in router to block xp-wmp folder.jpg clobber. XP and WMP ignored it, but Seven did as it was told.
Sounds like MS is forcing applications to be more compliant?
should be good in the long term.
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06 Dec 2009   #26
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x3, Ubuntu
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
Take ownership of the whole drive - Ignore errors on system folders - if you have issues with non system folders you will have to manually take ownership of these areas.

Right click on drive in explorer
select permissions
select security tab
select advanced
select owner tab
select edit
choose your user name or type in to add
OK and wait for apply to work

Once you are the owner you will be able to add your user name specifically to the list of users - give this user full control - again any non system drive issues will need to be addressed specifically

back on the security tab

select add
type your user name
select ok
click the full control check box
again wait for the permissions to apply

Ok out of dialogs

If you have to add permissions to a sub folder follow the same procedure after right clicking on the actual folder. This will sometimes happen if the permissions have become confused/corrupted over years of use, but normally the application of permissions to the whole drive will work fine

The reason that run as administrator works is that the administrators group has the required permissions but in windows 7 you do not run in that group normally for security reasons. This is due to the UAC running even admin accounts as a standard user by default
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06 Dec 2009   #27
thebirdbath

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post

back on the security tab

select add
type your user name
select ok
click the full control check box
again wait for the permissions to apply

Ok out of dialogs

No problems until this part listed above. When I hit apply, I have a hundred dialogs coming up that tell me "Access is Denied"

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06 Dec 2009   #28
thebirdbath

Windows 7
 
 

Can anyone tell me why I'm still getting access denied dialogs like pictured in my last post?
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07 Dec 2009   #29
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x3, Ubuntu
 
 

From the screenshot you have provided I have a question - is your computer name - unknown?

The reason I ask this is that the user groups are shown with that as part of that context as system name, (eg unknown\administrators), if your pc is not named unknown then there are serious permissions issues with this drive.
This may be due to the drive not being online during the OS upgrade

To work around these issues you are best enabling the "Hidden Administrator" account.

Built-in Administrator Account - Enable or Disable

When this is done you should be able to completely reset the drives permissions

These following instructions should clear all existing permissions and reset to a working condition.

log on as the Hidden Administrator and perform the steps for taking ownership.

Once you have ownership of the complete drive.

follow the steps to open the advanced security dialogue and click the change permissions button

uncheck the "include inheritable permissions ..." checkbox and when prompted click "remove"

REMOVE ALL PERMISSIONS - (highlight each user/group and click remove)

Add "administrators" - Full Control
Add "Zak&Jamie" - Full Control (assume this is username you are using)

Click on the "replace all child object permissions with inheritable permissiona from this object"

Click apply (wait for application of permissions)

OK out of the dialogues

Note: You may have to perform this action more than once to ensure that all permissions are reset completely.

Quote:
To check this is working correctly you may want to perform these steps on a single sub folder on the drive - and then try saving a file there
Log out and back in as your normal user and disable the Hidden Administrator account
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07 Dec 2009   #30
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Hi Barman, I have followed your posts with interest. Please allow me to jump in here because I have a similar problem - but with a twist:
I run Windows7 and Vista on the same system. They are seperate installations on 2 physical disks that I switch with the BIOS boot sequence. I installed a seperate partition for all my data and moved the Vista folders with Properties > Location tab to that new partition. Then I included those folders into the Win7 libraries.
Now the Win7 system holds a grip on those folders and I am unable to write anything to them from the Vista system. I can read though after I give permission. With the methods you explained, I could enable the Vista system to get update permission for those folders. But that is not very practical because I switch between the 2 systems several times per day and every time I use them from the Win7 side, they get "locked" again.
Is there a way to tell Win7 not to "lock" the files so that I need not go thru that whole procedure every time I switch back to Vista?
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