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Windows 7: windows 7 compared to XP Pro

16 Dec 2009   #21
kemo

Ubuntu 10.10 64bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

I'll continue to use 7 in hope things get ironed out. Right now I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of the ugly sounds and replace with XP sounds.

Based on some of the arguments here, all Microsoft SHOULD have done is incorporate a search built into the start menu and figure out how to get it to boot faster.

I just like how they are now adopting what other OS's already do... automatically download/update drivers.

Why are so many "attached" to xp??? Cuz you could do so much with it on a lower performance pc. Now you need something pretty stout to get similar performance that one was once used to before. To be honest, I don't think I've ever spent so much just to be capable of running a "new" os. Then again, now manufacturers have amped up their PC's to cope. "Vista Capable", that sticker needed an asterisk to note how painful it'd be, but hey, it ran with Vista!


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16 Dec 2009   #22
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wilfj View Post
Thanks, some very valued points.

Yes it's old but so I'm I. Do I do things better now then when I was 20 years younger? I sure hope so!

looks anything new, can always look better.... ask Tiger ,( we better not go there)

Hardware and drivers have never been a problem, at least for me in XP. I have almost ever thing backed up. New hardware today is certainly better on install and Xp is first on their list.

Most of the important new features in W7 have been around on the net as freebies for a few years. IF, you need them , I don't.

Yes the list could go on and on...... XP is still a fine OS .
I don't think anyone on here would say that XP is bad. It is a very good OS. Much better than the one before it, ME, that was crap. While XP is very good, Win 7 is everything you could ask. I was very hesistant to change over because XP is so good. I saw all of the problems people were having on the Forum with Win 7 and it made me shy away for a bit. I knew that the time would come when XP would as old as Win 98 is today. While there are alot of probems on the Forum, there are many more that are success stories. You have to move on or get left behind. In the case of Win 7, there is no sacrifice to moving on, it is MS best OS.
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16 Dec 2009   #23
bigmck

Windows 7 Home Premium 32-Bit - Build 7600 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kemo View Post
I'll continue to use 7 in hope things get ironed out. Right now I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of the ugly sounds and replace with XP sounds.
That was one thing that I noticed pretty quick also. I don't know how MS missed that one. == Go into your Windows.Old folder and copy the sounds that you like and put them in the same folder with the Win 7 sounds and you got it.
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16 Dec 2009   #24
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

It really is an excellent OS, go for it. XP is dead.
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17 Dec 2009   #25
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wilfj View Post
Several of my family work for large international Co's. They say there are no steps being taken to convert to Windows 7 in the business world.
Businesses are a different animal all together. For many, they weren't willing or able to pay Microsoft for the software assurance programs that entitled them to run future operating systems like Windows 7. When you are dealing with thousands or tens of thousands of desktops...these costs are enormous. It's not like these businesses can just buy a $350 license for Technet and upgrade everybody under that program.

Second, many businesses use older applications or home grown applications which may or may not work well/properly on different versions of the operating systems. So, these businesses have to evaluate whether the gains afforded by the new OS overshadow the cons of changing applications, or pouring money into new development to get the other application running properly. In addition, it's fairly common for large companies to have a large scale long term plan for changing from one of these older/home grown apps to something else down the road...and since plans are already underway for an eventual change they aren't willing to put the money or time into making a change to the current application to ensure it works better on Windows {insert_version_here}.

Third, many businesses don't want to have to retrain their staff to utilize the new operating system. In a business with hundreds or perhaps thousands of employees...even a small simple change could severely impact a group of people, an entire department or the business as a whole. So, the costs associated with this necessary training may very much outweigh the associated gains from the new OS.

Fourth, many businesses have very complex systems for security, VPN access, group policy and loads of documentation which are tooled specifically for Windows XP and their current method of doing business. You have to take into account the time, effort and work necessary to rework all of these things before you can simply just upgrade the operating system because it's now the latest and greatest offering.

And finally, the cost associated with the downtime of upgrading the computers can be very significant and hard for the average joe to comprehend. Since businesses often rely on a few key applications, the downtime and cost associated with upgrading the physical computer, and getting the software to perform...are far more costly than some of the OS provided benefits that most employees simply will never truly benefit from.
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17 Dec 2009   #26
madtownidiot

 

My main reason for switching to from xp to windows 7 is that microsoft has never included SATA drivers in their xp installation disks, nor can you install 3rd party SATA drivers from a CD or DVD during a fresh install of XP. That leaves laptop users who don't have a floppy drive or the ability to boot from a network S.O.L. And no version of windows has ever been stable. It seems like whenever microsoft finds something that works they stop doing it, although my opinion has been gradually improving, the more I use windows 7
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17 Dec 2009   #27
kemo

Ubuntu 10.10 64bit, Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

Industry is going to hold onto XP until their current machinery can't be repaired. XP isn't very demanding, and we all know how you could throw so many things its way and it worked (software and hardware).

Upgrading the hardware to 7 would be very costly. We already tried Vista and 7 (one of the betas) when I was back in college, it wouldn't work. I went to school for electronics engineering. We ran into BSOD after BSOD. Had to revert back to XP. One other thing we discovered was that the software that we used for automation only liked INTEL processors, otherwise you'd get the BSOD for that too.

Another thing we ran into problems, we couldn't use Vista for programming PLC's. Also... our National Instruments PXI equipment (roughly 2 years old now) could only work on XP. To this date, the website still says Microsoft Windows and drivers already installed (on the embedded controller). I know though, you can easily say it's the manufacturers fault and not Microsoft.

Be that as it may, there are some things that 7 just can't do... yet?
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17 Dec 2009   #28
wilfj

windows 7 home premium 64
 
 

[QUOTE=pparks1;446355]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wilfj View Post
Several of my family work for large international Co's. They say there are no steps being taken to convert to Windows 7 in the business world.[/quotes]
Businesses are a different animal all together. For many, they weren't willing or able to pay Microsoft for the software assurance programs that entitled them to run future operating systems like Windows 7. When you are dealing with thousands or tens of thousands of desktops...these costs are enormous. It's not like these businesses can just buy a $350 license for Technet and upgrade everybody under that program.

Second, many businesses use older applications or home grown applications which may or may not work well/properly on different versions of the operating systems. So, these businesses have to evaluate whether the gains afforded by the new OS overshadow the cons of changing applications, or pouring money into new development to get the other application running properly. In addition, it's fairly common for large companies to have a large scale long term plan for changing from one of these older/home grown apps to something else down the road...and since plans are already underway for an eventual change they aren't willing to put the money or time into making a change to the current application to ensure it works better on Windows {insert_version_here}.

Third, many businesses don't want to have to retrain their staff to utilize the new operating system. In a business with hundreds or perhaps thousands of employees...even a small simple change could severely impact a group of people, an entire department or the business as a whole. So, the costs associated with this necessary training may very much outweigh the associated gains from the new OS.

Fourth, many businesses have very complex systems for security, VPN access, group policy and loads of documentation which are tooled specifically for Windows XP and their current method of doing business. You have to take into account the time, effort and work necessary to rework all of these things before you can simply just upgrade the operating system because it's now the latest and greatest offering.

And finally, the cost associated with the downtime of upgrading the computers can be very significant and hard for the average joe to comprehend. Since businesses often rely on a few key applications, the downtime and cost associated with upgrading the physical computer, and getting the software to perform...are far more costly than some of the OS provided benefits that most employees simply will never truly benefit from.
Very well explained for sure !

After reading the replies I have done some more picking and pocking into W7 and found several applications I was not even aware they were there.
I installed RC 7100 3 months ago, and how quick we forget... W7 found all my hardware, including a 8 year old hp laser printer. The installation was simple and fast about 20 minutes .

i have the boxed upgrade and will load it after March 1st and Xp will just be retired.

Thanks for your comments and everyone out there that want to still hold on to XP, the features in W7 makes it a must to have. Say good night... good night !
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17 Dec 2009   #29
musiclover7

Windows 7 Ultimate
 
 

I dunno.. I have xp loaded on my business laptop, and it is a drag to have to use it. If I did not need to it to access my company vpn and the myriad resources I need use daily, I would not use it. I am far more efficient on my 7 machine, but then again, I am not the avg user. Who knows when the company will choose to upgrade to 7. Probably in about 3 years if that. So, in the mean time, I am still using xp, but begrudgingly.. Are there a lot of to die for features in 7 that make it a must have OS? No, not in my opinion. Yes, there are nice new possibilities out the shoot, but as many have stated, you can for the most part procure those same possibilities in xp with a little 3rd party free-ware assistance. Still, it is a very solid, responsive OS (more so than xp from my perspective) that looks pretty, and does offer quicker ways of getting common tasks done.. and yes, it is easier on the eyes, so it satisfies that part of my consumer self that is drawn to dazzle..

Libraries have grown on me, and are now a big part of how I structure my 4 terabytes of data spanning multiple drives and computers.. Search in 7 compared to xp, is a clear advantage.. once you start using it, you find yourself searching for everything rather than spending the time clicking your way into directories.. I love the fact that I can view/edit an mp3 tag simply by highlighting an mp3 file in explorer.. handy.. and yes, aero snap/crackle/pop is a big part of how I work in 7, and dearly missed as I work on my XP laptop.

The difference is really pronounced, because I use both OS's nearly every day, and am stuck doing all my crucial stuff on the XP laptop, simply because it is the only one that will connect to company resources.. The feeling is like, getting out of a nice brand new car, and into a 10 year old one. Yes, both cars can get me where I am going at the end of the day, but I have a clear preference..
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17 Dec 2009   #30
slithernet

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Retail RTM, Ubuntu 9.10
 
 

I think what it boils down to is that some ppl need to buy the new sports car, some ppl will run the old pickup truck till it falls apart.

Me, I want the sports car
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