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Windows 7: My Issues with Windows 7

19 Feb 2010   #121
Tepid

Win 7 Ultimate 32bit
 
 

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I am dissapointed that they wont let you install to a USB device though. I guess its too big of an installation anyway. Would really like to see a mini Win 7 that only takes up a couple gigs and less then 500mb of ram...
Yep, it's called Winbuilder.

And no, it is not stable, but it does work.


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19 Feb 2010   #122
Zomby88

Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit
 
 

You can make the task bar smaller , looks just like Vistas and why do you need a quicklaunch ? Just put the icons you use right on the taskbar.
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20 Feb 2010   #123
BunBun

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zomby88 View Post
You can make the task bar smaller , looks just like Vistas and why do you need a quicklaunch ? Just put the icons you use right on the taskbar.
Umm they take up to much room... they move around in weird ways... I dont like taskbar items grouping in this manner...

I like my screen neet and tidy. I dont have a 1920x1200 monitor to have its space wasted by useless large icons with large spaces between them and having to hunt for items that move around...
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21 Feb 2010   #124
BunBun

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Ok finally got around to this...

Win XP Restart Time (non tweaked)

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Win Vista Restart Time (semi-tweaked)

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Win 7 Restart Time (tweaked)

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Now I must make note on a couple points. Windows 7 shuts down in a hurry... quite a bit faster then XP in my case. So the ratio between shut down and start up is lower making XP's boot even faster then what it seems in the above numbers which is really what I am going after. However that said Windows 7 is much more responsive and usable at first seeing the desktop on start up. XP is very sluggish to begin with and sometimes network traffic is not possible after immediate boot up, have to wait a few seconds before loading IE where as 7 I can load IE instantly.

All the above was on my raid array. Now being that Windows 7 is booting with twice the memory usage of my XP build it is quite an impressive feat. However that is a slow XP boot up for me. I can cut that time by 50% I just dont have time to mess in a OS right now that I have no intentions of useing.

However all said and done I am almost willing to say that Windows 7 boot is more appleasing to the user experience due to the fact that it is more responsive immediatly upon showing the desktop (and the windows 7 loading screen doesn't chug like XP's loading bar does sometimes) and I have a suspiscion that 7 would perform better on a SSD then XP would, although I have no personal experience to make any claims on that. My initial claim of XP booting faster and being overall more responsive still stands as I beleive Windows 7 could be a lot better had more thought been put into optimizing boot times and onboot memory usage.

And now to the nay sayers about my external drive...

Win 7 Restart on external hard drive connected via e-Sata (tweaked)

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And my windows experience index showing the drives performance

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Which is the same as my raid array.


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21 Feb 2010   #125
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x3, Ubuntu
 
 

A lot is made of the relative speed of start-up and reboot between win7 and XP this is a non issue for me as it's something I only do once a week or so on average (or when an install/upgrade requires it).

I would also add that whereas XP would tend to slow down over time when left running, forcing the need to re-boot, win7 does not. This results in the relevent comparison being, "is the boot of win7 faster than three or four XP re-boots"

Just my opinion and experience of course
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21 Feb 2010   #126
housry23

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

MaximumPC got a Windows 7 rig to boot up in just 30 seconds. Depending on your hardware, you may not see these results, but I bet reading this article could help you shave your boot time.
In Search of the Sub-30 Second Boot | Maximum PC
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21 Feb 2010   #127
BunBun

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Barman58 View Post
A lot is made of the relative speed of start-up and reboot between win7 and XP this is a non issue for me as it's something I only do once a week or so on average (or when an install/upgrade requires it).

I would also add that whereas XP would tend to slow down over time when left running, forcing the need to re-boot, win7 does not. This results in the relevent comparison being, "is the boot of win7 faster than three or four XP re-boots"

Just my opinion and experience of course
Definitly your experience as I have to restart Windows 7 quite regularily as it slows down after awhile as well. I prefer to turn off my systems when not in use rather then standby (side exception of my media center of course and with my power hungry machine of 250-300watts on idle I tend to shut it down quite a bit) so boot times are very important. Vista this was not possible as its boot times were horrendous so I always would put it to sleep restarting it only once a week.

Also I do a lot of troubleshooting and testing of various technologies on a consistent basis and waiting for my computer to restart multiple times in short period is not fun.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by housry23 View Post
MaximumPC got a Windows 7 rig to boot up in just 30 seconds. Depending on your hardware, you may not see these results, but I bet reading this article could help you shave your boot time.
In Search of the Sub-30 Second Boot | Maximum PC
Thank you I will check that out later. My point still stands however as out of the box XP is still quite a bit faster and Microsoft doesn't seem to understand this concern. Yes SSD's are here which improve everything 10 fold but if they keep on this path then boot times and memory usages will keep going up and we will be in this constant state of slow booting unresponsive computers. As hardware gets better the user experience should get better not stay the same as the trend has been.
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22 Feb 2010   #128
Merlin2000

Windows 7
 
 

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My point still stands however as out of the box XP is still quite a bit faster and Microsoft doesn't seem to understand this concern.
- That's pretty much what I've seen too. A lot of people don't really do a correct comparison between the two. An XP system running for 6 months, 2 yrs, etc.. will already be slower than a fresh installed XP (meaning you can't compare a running XP install with a fresh Win 7 install and expect the tests to be even). Right now, few people can compare how Win 7 does after it runs for 6months to a yr.

Like Barman, I only have to restart my system once a week. I haven't seen a single bit of slowdown for extended use.

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However all said and done I am almost willing to say that Windows 7 boot is more appleasing to the user experience due to the fact that it is more responsive immediately upon showing the desktop
- That's probably what the major goal was. If you load a desktop that still takes some time to get going, people automatically assume their computer is slow, but when you take an extra 20-30 seconds to get everything else running, people see a fully loaded desktop that is completely workable, and think it's fast.

I guess the only thing to learn here, which is evident in other benchmarks too, is that Win 7 doesn't always boot faster than XP. I think we can all agree this isn't really a deal breaker, but hopefully something MS may look at in their next OS.

Thanks for posting those restart times
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22 Feb 2010   #129
pdxireland

W7 Pro 64bit
 
 

Let the Thread Live & Thrive!
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22 Feb 2010   #130
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x3, Ubuntu
 
 

Just for the sake of the argument

I think that the only true comparison between XP and win7 would have to be performed on a level playing field, with XP at the same stage of it's development as win7 is now.

That would mean testing XP on an machine that was available at that time and using an XP at the same stage of development, that is no Service packs, and just the first few months of updates.

I'm sure that win7 will run at an amazing speed on whatever hardware will be available in eight or nine years , but as only Doc Brown would possibly have access to those benchmarks and real comparison can only be conjecture
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