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Windows 7: My Issues with Windows 7

02 Feb 2010   #41
BunBun

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Sure you can expand your memory. But RAM isnt free nor do you have infinite dimm slots availible.

More effort into efficiency would make our hardware go that much further.

Hardware is cheap relatively. It is far from free.

Directx 10, 11 and security drawbacks are only lacking due to Microsoft wanting to strong arm people into their new OS'es.

And ugly UI is only in your opinion as I disagree. Esspecially with XP in classic mode. What good is pretty if it impedes on work done or play?

I want my OS to use as few resources as possible and to be as efficient as it mose possibly can to give things I want to do more resources even with the best of the best hardware (more is still better... right?)

EDIT: Just to clarify I am not stating that Windows 7 should have the same requirements as XP. Just not as high as it is and to be more dynamic. I wouldn't dare install windows 7 on a netbook for example and those are extremely popular right now.


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02 Feb 2010   #42
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BunBun View Post
Sure you can expand your memory. But RAM isnt free nor do you have infinite dimm slots availible.

More effort into efficiency would make our hardware go that much further.

Hardware is cheap relatively. It is far from free.

Directx 10, 11 and security drawbacks are only lacking due to Microsoft wanting to strong arm people into their new OS'es.

And ugly UI is only in your opinion as I disagree. Esspecially with XP in classic mode. What good is pretty if it impedes on work done or play?

I want my OS to use as few resources as possible and to be as efficient as it mose possibly can to give things I want to do more resources even with the best of the best hardware (more is still better... right?)
Resources are meant to be used and 16GB of RAM would last a while. Because of XP, I bet developers are still supporting DirectX 9.0c. Kill that and make gaming pointless on XP and there will be a shift.
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02 Feb 2010   #43
BunBun

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
Resources are meant to be used and 16GB of RAM would last a while. Because of XP, I bet developers are still supporting DirectX 9.0c. Kill that and make gaming pointless on XP and there will be a shift.
There are plenty of reasons developers still use directx 9 or any older API in any setting. Bleeding edge or the latest and greatest is not always a great idea to adopt. Directx9 is known and developers know they can make a game that runs good with it. What is so wrong with that?
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02 Feb 2010   #44
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BunBun View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
Resources are meant to be used and 16GB of RAM would last a while. Because of XP, I bet developers are still supporting DirectX 9.0c. Kill that and make gaming pointless on XP and there will be a shift.
There are plenty of reasons developers still use directx 9 or any older API in any setting. Bleeding edge or the latest and greatest is not always a great idea to adopt. Directx9 is known and developers know they can make a game that runs good with it. What is so wrong with that?
It doesn't look as good as 10 or make good use of my 4890's 800 shader's. However, Bioshock 2 is looking great - support for x64, recommends (needs) 3GB of RAM and naturally supports 7/DirectX 10.
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02 Feb 2010   #45
BunBun

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

The differences between Directx 9 and 10 are not earthshatter. And I am more interesting in the new routines they develope that do things more efficiently rather then make it prettier. There is a point where pretty is nice but there is a balance between pushing the limits of hardware and making things run nice. I buy hardware to have overhead (example I need to have enough ram to allow me not to use a pagefile) and with developers constantly pushing the limits of hardware it makes it difficult.

That said I am excited to see games take advantage of multi cores and x64 instructions.
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02 Feb 2010   #46
Stevy22

Windows 7 and MAC
 
 

Don't run anything which is system related from a removable media...... your whole processor will become a junk one day
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02 Feb 2010   #47
Frostmourne

Windows 7 Ultimate x86-64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BunBun View Post
The differences between Directx 9 and 10 are not earthshatter. And I am more interesting in the new routines they develope that do things more efficiently rather then make it prettier. There is a point where pretty is nice but there is a balance between pushing the limits of hardware and making things run nice. I buy hardware to have overhead (example I need to have enough ram to allow me not to use a pagefile) and with developers constantly pushing the limits of hardware it makes it difficult.

That said I am excited to see games take advantage of multi cores and x64 instructions.
10 has unified shaders instead of separate routines for pixel and vertex shaders, which is why Direct X 10 cards have a whole set of shaders. So 10 does run better and look nicer. Hardware is designed to become obsolete. I'd pay more for new tech to run the latest games if necessary, no hesitation.

Look here:

DirectX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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02 Feb 2010   #48
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x3, Ubuntu
 
 

First - This is not aimed at any particular member

But can we please keep this thread as a discussion

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02 Feb 2010   #49
BunBun

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Stevy22 View Post
Don't run anything which is system related from a removable media...... your whole processor will become a junk one day
Who said anything about running system related stuff from removable media?

And what are you trying to say in the last part of your post... makes no sense...

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Frostmourne View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BunBun View Post
The differences between Directx 9 and 10 are not earthshatter. And I am more interesting in the new routines they develope that do things more efficiently rather then make it prettier. There is a point where pretty is nice but there is a balance between pushing the limits of hardware and making things run nice. I buy hardware to have overhead (example I need to have enough ram to allow me not to use a pagefile) and with developers constantly pushing the limits of hardware it makes it difficult.

That said I am excited to see games take advantage of multi cores and x64 instructions.
10 has unified shaders instead of separate routines for pixel and vertex shaders, which is why Direct X 10 cards have a whole set of shaders. So 10 does run better and look nicer. Hardware is designed to become obsolete. I'd pay more for new tech to run the latest games if necessary, no hesitation.

Look here:

DirectX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No need to tell me about DirectX. Fact is its better known how to optimize 9 by developers then it is 10. Plus there a whole lot of other stuffed involved that I am not getting into in this thread as it is far away from the topic.
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02 Feb 2010   #50
antt

Windows 7 build 7100 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BunBun View Post
Just to clarify I am not stating that Windows 7 should have the same requirements as XP. Just not as high as it is and to be more dynamic. I wouldn't dare install windows 7 on a netbook for example and those are extremely popular right now.

Windows 7 works great on netbooks. seriously. Windows 7 has the ability to adapt to whatever situation you put it in, unlike Vista. If you put it in a low ram situation, it will adapt and precache less. If it has a slower processor speed, it will adapt its indexing to suit.
I have no idea why all the manufacturers are putting Starter Edition on all the netbooks, Home Premium runs perfectly!
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